RE:LOVELY DEBATE
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
And Jesus in crucifiction was emulating the dying and resurrecting god he worshipped, 'Osiris'. This was corroborated by Gospel of Judas which was found recently from Egyptian Desert, in which Judas says he was asked by Jesus to betray him!!
RE:LOVELY DEBATE
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 08:40 PM Permalink
Someone give this guy a book on medivial Christianity or the Crusades.... his scoring will change drastically...
RE:LOVELY DEBATE
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
We cannot defeat Jeremy Williams he can believe in Jesus, or Adonyss, or Mithras, or Osiris. The last three were all dying and resurrecting gods before Jesus. All have December 25th as birth date. All dies on Friday. What good choice !!! Hands down winner !!
There is no inical arrogance. Hindus were attacked by Christians on the basic theme that they are stone worshippers {idol worshippers}.Do they not now do the same thing after attacking the Hindus?. There are certain entry rules for any place and Guruvayur temple has its own rules. The real provocation is the publicity of certain religious rituals the temple priests should not have publicly advertised. There are yearly or periodical temple purification rituals being carried out in most of the temples not in the name of entry of certain castes. Such being the case why should they announce and that too about persons of political background?
Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church! Why not anyone can enter any temple?. Who made the restriction did the God made the law or man made it. Any ideas?
RE:Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church!
by India on Jun 04, 2007 08:29 PM Permalink
Hello Sanjay, Its first Christians mate. Unlike Hindus Christians dont have restrictions in church. Any religion or caste can attend church. You comment made me to laugh.
RE:Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church!
by crazyforsense on Jun 04, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
@sanjay choudhry Interesting, I have never heard of lower caste Christians being barred from entering an 'upper-caste' church. Dude, your outlook seems very insular. By the way, in India there is only Indian Christian on paper and they don't get any reservations....which is why some SC's/ST's/OBC will attend the church but not mention their religion on their offspring's birth certificate....lest their offsprings lose the benefit of reservations. However they are welcome to attend any church they want.
RE:Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church!
by Naresh Mathur on Jun 04, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
Sorry dear you are wrong. A Hindu is not allowed to enter vatican's many places. A Hindu is not allowed to enter Makka either. Please check your facts
RE:RE:Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church!
by India on Jun 04, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
Iam talking about Mosque in India not Saudia. Lets talk about churches in India. Temples in West(overseas) have no restriction of caste or religion.
RE:Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church!
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
But no one wants to na ?? And can women enter Mosque ?? Have you ever had this fortune of seeing them there ???
RE:RE:Anyone can enter a Mosque or Church!
by India on Jun 04, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
Rohit, Can women enter Sabri Malai, Ayypa Temple. Dont post silly comments.
I will be ready to support Vial R Ravi: If I as Hindu (non-christian) am allowed in Vetican to the last sanctum where a catholic is allowed: And I as hindu am allowed Haz Subsidy to go on Haz by govt of India! So much about secularism
RE:Pepical arrogance!
by crazyforsense on Jun 04, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
@Naresh Mathur I get your point, that each religion has its own rules.
However, this case is different. Correct me if I am wrong, I am not aware of any church in India that bars the entry of non-Christians into its sanctorum. Vatican maybe, but then Vatican is not in India. We are taking about Kerala, a part of India here.
RE:Pepical arrogance!
by Naresh Mathur on Jun 04, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
But Guruvayuwar is India. We wont have any Hindu temple in foreign country having any bar
RE:Pepical arrogance!
by India on Jun 04, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
Hello Naresh, Every religion has a restrition on entering into certain area where only priest can enter. But Hindu temples are not like that.
RE:Pepical arrogance!
by Power India on Jun 04, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
Poor naresh mathur, are you so ignorant? There is no need that you should have a Doctorate to know about these things. In Vathican you can go anywhere like any other Christian. Dont be a foolish Indian. People like you are a disgrace to our country.
RE:RE:Pepical arrogance!
by Naresh Mathur on Jun 04, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
In same way, you are also welcome in temple provided you get a shuddhikaran done!
Hindu religious leaders are not unique in their discriminatory practices. Anybody who has lived in the gulf might have experienced how non-muslims are treated. In fact, some job ads brazenly claim preference for Muslims applicants. So are Christians, by the way I am a practicing Christian. Gandhi was cold shouldered when he wanted to enter a church in South Africa. In Kerala itself there have been reports that in some churches the untouchables have a separate place of worship. Coming back to Hinduism, it is not a religion in itself, its a name christened by Alexander the great for people living beyond the Hind-Kush mountains. The true value and culture of India is reflected in its Vedic texts. The Vedas do not preach discrimination. Brahmin is defined as the one who gains the knowledge of Brahma. I am not a Vedic scholar, but I know what Vedic texts dont teach. The point here is Hindus might feel hurt or intimitated when there is bad press about its practices, like in Vayalar's case or the recent conversions to Buddhism at Race Course. It is easy to get emotional on religious issues. However, an informed mind would always want to understand the problem, identify the root cause and solve it. The fact is Ravi is insulted and hurt. Anybody in Ravi's place will feel so. There should be reconciliation between the priest and Vyalar's family. The world will always have differnces. We need to learn to live with differences. We need to treat others as we would like others treat us.
We broadminded Hindus must give Tamil Nadu style public sector reservations to SC/ST/BC/OBCs/Tribals and also give such reservations in PRIVATE SECTOR. And also clean Dalit toilets just like Gandhi, who was the greatest Hindu. Then nobody will convert to Christianity or Islam. It is very simple. In any case, it is written in our own scriptures that "IN KALIYUGA, CHANDALA WILL RULE OVER BRAHMIN". So our Karma is to diligently clean Dalit toilets for several lifetimes and Yugas so that we can hope to be born as a Dalit who enjoys reservations after several births. This is the right thing to do. Stop fighting Hindu brothers. Already Brahmins are doing the job of Kshatriyas by joining Army and doing the job of Vaishyas by doing business like Infosys Narayanamurthy. So there is no harm if Brahmins clean the toilets of Dalits. After all, they use Harpic to clean the toilets in their own houses. our Lord Ram ate "Jhute Bair"(Half eaten berries ) of a Sweeper lady "Sabri". So what is the harm if all upper castes cleaning Dalit toilets just like Gandhi?
Anybody who does not eat beef/pork should be allowed inside temples. Otherwise, as far as human beings go, a Hindu is no different from a Christian (note: comparision of religions is a different ball game all together).
I know Hindus who eat beef/pork without any inhibition. If we can't stop them from entering into temples, we should not stop anybody else also. By an extension of this logic, any believer who knows the Shastras and does not eat beef/pork should be allowed to become a priest.
Hinduism is a much more inclusive religion than the Abrahamic religions. It does not say that mine is the only God. But, Hindus become jittery when a so called SC/ST tries to enter into a temple. It would seem that all this openmindedness evaporates as soon as somebody tries to enter a Hindu's comfort zone.
Tradition is good as long as it serves a purpose. But in the present era where the cash rich Muslims and Christians continue their empire building, we Hindus continue to disallow the believers from entering into the temples. By doing this, we are playing into the hands of the missionaries. The time has come for us to change. If we do not do that soon enough, beforelong, Hinduism will be found only in History books.
RE:Hinduism needs to change
by Deepak Mohanty on Jun 04, 2007 08:36 PM Permalink
Dear friend, if you love your religion and can't see it dying a slow but sure death, you must change. Do some introspection and you will see light at the end of the tunnel. The light tells me to embrace and extend rather than exclude and wither away.
RE:Hinduism needs to change
by Human Being on Jun 04, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
Can people living in snow covered area (including Eskimos) and small islands imagine about farming. They look for available food. What is bad to someone in a particular situation is good to some other in a different situation
RE:WHY DO HINDOOS MARRY THEIR SISTERS?
by K K on Jun 04, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
You are an idiot! This phenomenon is pervasive all over the world. It has nothing to do with being a Hindu or Muslim or Christian. I guess you are just an uneducated hate monger. No wonder you use all upper case in your comments.
Also there is a distinction between sister and cousin. In your subject title you say "sisters", whereas in the body of your comment you say "cousins".
RE:WHY DO HINDOOS MARRY THEIR SISTERS?
by deetee on Jun 04, 2007 08:21 PM Permalink
the practice of marrying cousins happens all over the world and it is not just restricted to Hindus. this practice is slowly dying out.
RE:WHY DO HINDOOS MARRY THEIR SISTERS?
by Latheesh Raveendran on Jun 04, 2007 08:22 PM Permalink
hey...man....u r wrong......where did u see this in kerala....??? but it's common in TN/Karnataka/Andra...............I know it
RE:WHY DO HINDOOS MARRY THEIR SISTERS?
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
Let me educate you Jeremy.. Although I have never seen this happen, I do not doubt your claims. I would however like to clarify though that this is a very very rare thing in the hindu religion. Infact in most cases Hindus do not give their daughters and sons to families of the same 'gotra' or sub-caste for the fear of them being married to some distant cousin who they do not know of. This practise is common in Muslims though. For them it is not that far fetched. Beside do not even judge them for in their society and religion it is acceptable. Be broad minded. If you check up on your religion you will find lots of things that will make you gross out and go UGHHHHHHH....
RE:WHY DO HINDOOS MARRY THEIR SISTERS?
by srinath aprameya on Jun 04, 2007 08:47 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Williams. I know in India some people do marry amongst relatives and cousins. I do agree with you it is medically not right. But what do you say for this----- Look at this link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6424937.stm
People in the developed country try to marry their own brother/sister???? Is this not GROSS, Mr Jeremy Williams?
