what i think that these priests should be removed from the temple, how does it mater even if a non hindu enters temple, dosent a hindu go to masjid or church ?
If Brahman do not permit SCs in temple they should not go there they should make there own temples and should make there own priest,ther should not be any hue and cry on this,since it s happeneing thousnand of years in India Brahman make rest untouchable.But the untouchables should proclaims himself untouchable with pride,no body can make any one untaouchable when God make all people equal,Islam do not allow descrimination in the name of colour catse and creed.Islam is a religion of equality and give equal rights to all human.A black lowest catogry person can lead prayer and a king can read under his leadership
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by munna bhai on Jun 05, 2007 12:59 AM Permalink
Read this and know the real facets of ISLAM (religion??? of haterd, intolerance and inequality)
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by Cool Dude on Jun 04, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
Once again you are repeating yourself... Is this all you brain is capable of... Inbreeding does that you know.. stop marrying within your own family
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by Lankesh Kumar on Jun 04, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Then why you force women to wear 'BOORKHA', because they remain untouchable. BOORKHA se bahar niklo aur apna business sambhalo
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by sunilgiri on Jun 04, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
buddy ,zaheen usmani ... Very good joke.... What you mean by the non discrimination of islam? 1)Is it the n number of terrorists who declared Jihad against everything which is non muslim. 2) I think you refer to country's like Saudi arabia ... as you know they do not have any discrimination amoung muslims and other casts. But they consider others as slaves. 3) May be you are refering Muslim fanatics in Kashmir who killed all pundits with out showing any discrimination..
No I may be incorrect .. You are one of the rarest breed of people who enjoy all the benefits of being a minority where the majority starvs%u2026. And all the cheap media like this website are busy in tarnishing Hindu%u2019s image only because they are are not well organized and not funded by any ugly minds%u2026 Mind you dear hindu%u2019s created world culture and Hinduism is %u201C Only one religion which not spread on the sword%u2019s edge%u201D
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by chits on Jun 04, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
This issue has been made out of proportion purely for political purposes. They were not allowed into the temples because of their christian lineage and not because of the fact that they were untouchables. Even today famous singer Yesudas is not allowed to go into Guruvayyur temple not because he is a dalit but because he is a christian.
Mr Ravi should not try to divide the country for his own political gains. It is very sad that people like Mr Ravi that the country is torn apart.
Please for Gods sake restrain from making such damaging statements.
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by BannedMike Jordan on Jun 04, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
Interesting to see RSS fanatics to attack a muslim when he points some drawbacks in hindu society!!!! They cant see their own follies but are quick to point out defects in other religions!!!!
RE:Brahmanism & Islam
by parag on Jun 04, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
stop bullshitting...a momin never sits with low CAST muslim(e.g. binkar in konkan)...I have seen this wih my eye. If islam is so based on the equqlity then why muslim women are still behind buraqua??
The first one is saying Nair and Namboodthiri, both aare matriarchal, which is not the case. Namboothiri, the Kerala Brahmin follows Patriarchism.
The second one is saying Guruvayoorappan is an avatar of Lord Krishna. He is not considered as avtar of Krishna, but Krishna himself, more specifically Krishna as an infant.
And the third is Ravi saying the whole issue is because he is of backward caste Ezhava. The issue was his wife being Christian and Hindu Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non hindus to enter temple premises. So his son was not considered a Hindu because his mother was Christian.
Ravi has every right to feel aggrieved but being a responsibe citizen and a leader of status he should not distort facts ang give it a casteist colour. Especially in Kerala's background where casteism is not at all prevelant.
And besides all Guruvaayoor Temple gets frequent terrorist threats. Allowing any Tom Dick and Haarry to the centureis old shrine is non acceptable.
And temples in Kerala adhere to strong rituals like not allowing people to have non veg food and go inside it. Non Hindus won't adhere to such strict regimen.
RE:Three Wrong Points in this Article
by vivek murthi on Jun 04, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
You are wrong my friend atleast about one thing. I am a brahmin and I am a non-vegetarian and I know a lot of brahmins who eat NV. I have entered guruvayoor temple. I know muslims and christians who are staunch vegetarians. Plus millions of Hindus who are non-brahmins eat NV. So, your logic for not allowing people of other religion to enter the temple is flawed.
Hi vayalar, brahmins dont want touch you why you want to touch them.I dont want to touch any polititain. Polititain is very fourth class in our society.
What happening to this authorities in temple. Hinduism is not about caste. Its principles are based upon to cast light about the ignorance in our lives and take right decision in favor of ones family, community and entire humankind. Such acts cause ripple of misunderstanding in other religions about Hinduism. I sincerely condemn this act
RE:manic brahmins wake up
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 09:53 PM Permalink
Bose there is nothing castist in this issue. It is because Ravi's wife is Christian.
Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non Hindus entry inside.
RE:manic brahmins wake up
by Lankesh Kumar on Jun 04, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Dude, Authorities cleaned the temple because one polotician had came there. not for the dalit came there. It's like we wash our hands before eating so that Virus can be washed off.
EVery Hindu, whether Brahmin or Ehzavas or Dalits are ALLOWED IN Guruvayur and they do go there in millions.
Yes dailts were not allowed prior to 1930s temple proclamation. It was bad, and good it was corrected. BUT EZHAVAS WERE NEVER DALIT, NEITHER THEY WERE DISALLOWED EVEN PRIOR TO 1930s.
Ravi and Indian media is playing politics, abusing Hinduism. AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
Those who have renounced hinduism or from other relegion and who have no faith in hinduism have no business in temples. They mostly come to see the sculptures , statutes and for time pass. For Hindus it is faith, belief ,reverance.... Temples are no picnic spot. So Please stay out. There are other places to pass your time.
Mr. Vyalar Ravi's son has been denied entry/ had certain purification done because his mother is a Christian NOT BECAUSE HE IS FROM EZHAVA CASTE. Kerala is a matrimonial society and relegion of mother is that of his son.
At the same time temple authorities and preists too should change themselves a bit. Those who have genuine faith in Hindu relegion should be allowed with all respect and dignity even if they are not technicaly from Hindu relegion. Disrespect should never be shown to such persons. If a new guy goes to church the pastors and bishops there treat him like a king - great marketing tactic. This is one of the reason Christianity has found many takers around the world.
RE:This is a temple NOT A PICNIC SPOT
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
sanjay choudhry
Christians dont want to enter bloody brothal bedrooms like the hindu temple. In this incident poor woman doesnt have any choice but to follow her husband.and you show off your rok with this poor woman.
Vayalar Ravi may be making a political strom out of this. After all he is a politican. But what is sad is the way the priests treated his son. This is barbaric. He did not enter the sanctum sactorum of the temple(And what if he did that?). He was just another devotee in the temple. The mindset of the management who rule the temples have to change. Kerala has to take the example of Tamilnadu where anyone can become a priest. Nobody opposed that decision. That shows the maturity of the tamil people over religious issues. Thats why BJP can never break into Tamilnadu.
RE:Priests know nothing about human values
by hari rao on Jun 04, 2007 10:02 PM Permalink
JK,
Your email stinks of ignorance. In fact, according to our hindu scriptures, there are numerous examples of people who were not born in the brahminical caste but are considered as religious preceptors. Take for example_ Valmiki who was born in an almost caste. Similarly Ramanucharya's guru was from a lower caste but Ramanucharya accepted him as his guru.
Those who have converted to Christianity and have no faith in Hinduism have no business questioning our culture and heritage. This is hindustan not muslimstan or christiansthan. They should not try to change our rules and regulations. If they don't like it, stay at a distance. But they should not hurt the sentiments of hindus in the name of secularism.
The muslims invaded India and converted thousands of people to Islam. They destroyed our temples and raped hindu women. Aurangazeb is a classic example. Yet we have a road named after that a**hole in Delhi. The muslims deplored our caste system although it was scientific. Anybody who was born in a brahmin family could not claim to be a brahmana. One should be a brahmana by action and words.
Then the British came and they tried spread christianity. So today we see so many people converted to all these religions because of these invaders.
The tamil people are just sycophants living under the tyranny of Karunanidhi. They dont know anything about scriptures. Ask anybody to quote the first verse from Bhagavad Gita and they will turn their
