The need of the hour is educate priests and tantris...Tantra shold change with time for good..There is no point in following same old tantra without any introspection. Most indian priests just know mantra and tantra , but they dont the meaning of those rituals. Which Shastra says non-hindus shouldn't be allowed to temples? No veda and upanishads says anything abt it. Most of these rituals need a relook.
RE:RE:educate priests
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 04, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
arey yaar, what happened in Guruvayur temple happens in ALL OVER INDIA.
HINDUS OF ALL HEWS, WHETHER DALIT, BRAHMIN DOES NOT MATTER. THEY MUST BE ALLOWEDNTO A HINDU TEMPLE.
RE:educate priests
by Raj Kumar on Jun 05, 2007 01:04 AM Permalink
Dear Bhaskar,
I rememeber Bengalis as very sweet people to talk too, socialize with; very tolerant etc.. but your venom posted doesn't fit with that image.
Coming back to your postings; WHY SHOULD Christians; Muslims; Sikhs etc... not allowed to enter into Hindu Temple; when a Hindu can enter their places of worship ??? Let India be a leading tolerant country; so that the world acknowledges our superior ancient civilization.
So please convert yourself this instant to a "Tolerant Person"; with respect to people of other religions/caste/creed etc...
RE:educate priests
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
Arre, Mr. Hilsa, Valayar Ravi's son IS a Hindu. Next the priests will, like Hitler, examine family trees.
I completely agree with Mr Ravi. Brahmins are the main culprits in dividing the Hindu society. Who gave them the authority to monopolise the Hindu Dharma and pass diktats ? Brahmins have hijacked one of the best religions on earth and turned it into playground of personal whims and fancies. God has no religion. Mandirs ( the place where the God is supposed to reside )are meant for everybody believers and non-believers alike.
You should know the difference between a Brahmin and a Priest. All Brahmins are not Priests. The humiliation you have suffered is on account of the customs practised by the Priest. I am a Brahmin and I am with you in condemning the despicable practice.
Fight. We are with you in your fight to bring such customs to their end. Do make it a fight between the sufferers and those who follow the evil customs. You should know, Brahmins as a caste do not suffer the arrogance of the kind you have charged them with.
Do curse the custom and fight against it. Do not allow it to sound like a caste war against the Brahmin. Our petty politicians do it everyday and they do get a political mileage out of it.
RE:Brahminical Arrogance
by mylord on Jun 04, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
all brahmins are not priests.true.true too is all priests are brahmins.These 2% ruled and wants to rule 100% by hook or crook for centuries.
RE:whom would you believe?
by Javed Ahmad on Jun 04, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
Don't say about which u dont know ABC, Gebrael (AS), Angel of almighty GOD is even mention in Bible (In both new and Old testament).
Furthermore see what world say about the last and final Massenger Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)
1."I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST, HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY." [George Bernard Shaw, in "The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936.]
2. "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." [Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.]
3. "History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." [De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8.]
I can give many more references, ALLAH says in Quran "check the information before pass to third person" so check whatever knowledge u r having and its sources. Islam is the fastest growing religion in world, because people accepting the truth.
RE:whom would you believe?
by Javed Ahmad on Jun 04, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
give me reference where does QURAN say. and as far as fastest growing religion see following, i m not saying the world says-
1. Increase in the world religions from 1934 - 1984.
An article in Readers digest %u2018Almanac%u2019, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in %u2018The Plain Truth%u2019 magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. Which war took place in this century, which converted millions of people to Islam?
2. "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." [HILLARY RODMAN CLINTON, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3]
3. Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world%u2019s fastest-growing religion. [ABCNEWS, Abcnews.com]
4. "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." [NEWSDAY, March 7, 1989, p.4]
5. "Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." [NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1]
6. Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." [USA TODAY, The Population Reference bureau, Feb. 17,1989, p.4A ]
7. "Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America." [TIMES MAGAZINE]
8."Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" [CNN, December 15, 1995]
I can gove more due to insufficient space I cant, Read wht scriptures of ISLAM says, dont make blind statment
RE:whom would you believe?
by Raj Kumar on Jun 05, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
Dear Javed,
Islam is the fastest growing is very inaccurate, if implied worldwide. It may be fastest growing in US, where many criminals in prison and violent people as reported are turning to Islam for acceptance of their nature, after being a society misfits. So please don't impose statistics of a tolearant society as US (where also statistics is only available). If only Middle East was a tolerant society as the US; then other religions would have been very prominenet there; i.e. the Middle East. But unfortunately, Muslim countries just don't tolerate co-existense of other religions. So please don't equate. Please pray that Islam does becomes smaller and smaller year by year, so that the world will have more PEACE; LOVE; DEVELOPMENT; Less terrorists; jihadis etc..., for the welfare and development of the entire human beings species without any discrimination towards nationality/race/religion etc....
RE:whom would you believe?
by Javed Ahmad on Jun 05, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
dear raj
Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word %u2018terrorist%u2019 is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.
Islam is derived from the word %u2018salaam%u2019 which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.
Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur%u2019an says in the following verse:
%u2019Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error%u2019
[Al-Qur%u2019an 2:256)
Islam is derived from the word %u2018salaam%u2019 which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose f
Let us see what Vayalar Ravi says... The fact is that till the 1970s I was not going to the temple. When I became a member of Parliament in the 1970s I didn't swear in the name of God but took an oath on affirmation. So he was not believer when he was in the peak time till he came across some really bad situation in his life... So then he prayed all these lords :) Ha so again when he feel he is secure he will again say "Iam a non believer" from 80's to 2010 I visited mandirs but not now.. :)
RE:Mandirs are for devotees not for tourists....
by harindra mitharia on Jun 04, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
dear what you have written is completely out of context here. even a first time goer has every right to condemn such behaviuor of priests.
Many number of devotees are visiting the temple. Is it possible for anyone to check whether he/she is a Hindu who is entering the temple to offer their prayers? Or will the temple priests demand proof of religion from the devotees in the form of some idenity cards?
RE:Identity Card
by Rajesh on Jun 04, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
it doesnt mean that hindu is a believer of god. Hindu is a religion and u can be a non believer according to indian law
RE:RE:Identity Card
by mylord on Jun 04, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
Sanjay,we know you chuvinists never tackle surya alikes logically.that is your weakness.you appear bold and wild.in reality you are coward as you came as cowboys through khyber pass as mercenaries and not as missionaries.
RE:Identity Card
by unni krishnan nair on Jun 04, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
Check your facts Rajesh. Hinduism is a culture as per a recent Supreme Court opinion. And not a religion. So it can not be compared with any semetic religions.
RE:Identity Card
by mylord on Jun 04, 2007 11:20 PM Permalink
not only hinduism and islam.almost 16 religions worldwide,i know, have the same funda,surya.
RE:Identity Card
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Hindus also cannot escape they too are as bad as any one else.They try all sorts of natak like non-violent,peace,hindu culture all these are having problems too.
this issue has nothing to do with ezhava caste.existing laws of guruvayoor temple forcess the thanthri to do punyaham.if this were done by a brahmin and wife be a christian the would have done the same.law should be amended.but hindus should not allow christian and muslim groups to make profit from this issue.this is a simple issue can be sorted out within 5 minutes discussion.
These political idiots always know that we should not enter in to the pious dwellings of GOD, they enter and make political contraversies. It is clearly mentioned in all pious dwellings of GOD, that non Hindus are not aloowed.
RE:Always Poor Brahmins are targeted by these political crooks
by kumar on Jun 04, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
If hindus can enter there, why not others?? If I am a born chhristian, Does it man that I shouldn't pray lord krishna??
RE:Always Poor Brahmins are targeted by these political crooks
by Great Indian on Jun 04, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
No, you fanatical christian Surya...you worst than the Taliban... you christian - a curse to India and the world.
RE:RE:Always Poor Brahmins are targeted by these political crooks
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
Hindus are worst then taliban n al-quida combined. you are a curse to India who do not respect fellow human.
RE:Always Poor Brahmins are targeted by these political crooks
by Pradeep Thomas on Jun 04, 2007 11:13 PM Permalink
Then.. those who critisize Christianity.. should not have get their education in an Christian institute and earn money by serving a Christian nation.. you idiots must ties urselves with ur own religion.. dotn ever comeout of that..
for Materialism & benefits.. U need chrisitian Missionary Hospitals & Schools..
RE:RE:Always Poor Brahmins are targeted by these political crooks
by Praveen PG on Jun 04, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
This matter is just between an individual (and his family) and the temple. The "Commies" as u call them are in no way involved in this. I guess it has just become fashionable to put the blame on the communists for every problem.
RE:Always Poor Brahmins are targeted by these political crooks
by Praveen PG on Jun 04, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
This matter is just between an individual (and his family) and the temple. The "Commies" as u call them are in no involved in this. I guess it has just become fashionable to put the blame on the communists for every problem.
