RE:Kerala Hindus are idiots. They are a disgrace to Adi Shankara, one of the formost Nationalist from antiquity.
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 04, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
RE:RE:Kerala Hindus are idiots. They are a disgrace to Adi Shankara, one of the formost Nationalist from antiquity.
by balaji sankaran on Jun 05, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
Shut UP! Illeterate fellow
with india experiencing such polarisation, its not fair as leader to blame castes. its just an unfair customs which needs reformed.i don't where we are heading, what is the difference between the PRIEST AND MR RAVI, HE IS ACTUALLY COMMITING A CRIME TO INCITE RACIAL HATRED.
Tell me, will CPIM of West bengal ever DEMAND XTIANS/MUSLIMS EVER BE ALLOWED IN (SAY) KALIGHAT TEMPLE?
THEY WILL BE WIPED OUT FROM WEST BENGAL. But as Hindus of Kerala are divided along caste, and 45% are non-Hindus, this anti-Hindu polemic is continuing.
This Vayalar Ravi deserves to be turned out. Why is he degrading himself by filing affidavits & producing documents in proof of his hindu religion to brahmin priests ? This is disgisting .
RE:Hindus have to prove their credentials!
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
After the insult he suffered, this is the least he can do. The priests have forced him to do this. In my opinion, he should tell the priests they are welcome to their precious temple - and convert to Buddhism. If anybody in that family has a shred of self-respect, they will not enter any temple again.
All who belive in Hinduism or interested in Hinduism should be allowed to temple. Whether the person is hindu or non-hindu doesnot mater. The temple is for every one not for tantris only. It should not be alowed a bunch of Tantris define who should enter. If that is the tradition ( i think Tantris should be changed), then tradition should be changed. I am sure trandations in Hinduism is flexible and changed lot of times since last 5000 years. This flexibility/adoptabilty surivived Hinduisum last 5000 years.
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 05, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
My dear sanjay do you really believe that mayawati was elected just because the favoured 3% voted for her? Come on you can do better than that!
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
"pls understand those xtainsa and muslims dont ahve the braoder accepting faith like hinduism !!!! .." that's why vayalar ravi was made to feel like the lowest of animals for entering the temple? we clean our homes & other places only when dirty animals & insects enter. Low caste & other religion folk are dirty animals to those brahmana priests?
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
howisthat baby,the xians did just what the brahmana's did to the dhravidars when they entered hindustan through the khyber pass from Arya land! Did'nt the brahmanas kill ,rape & torture millions of dalits because the brahmanas firmly believed that the dalit hindus were born only to serve brahmana's begotten people?
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by DDBhaumik on Jun 05, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
"Till how long will you keep dragging the corpse of aryan invasion theory with you? It has been even removed by all American universities from their syllabus for lack of evidence"
This is patently untrue. There were some attempts by some pseudo-hindu groups to get some US education agency to accept their attack on the aryan invasion theory. It did not succeed.
Anyway, how does it matter to the majority of indians who do not like to identify themselves as Aryan? All that is worth in India literature, religion, and science in the ancient times were the achievements of indigenous people, and not of Aryans. Aryans had nothing to do with it, irrespecive of whether they came from outside or inside. The hindu epics too were written by indigenous people who were not even Brahmin. Mahabharata was written by Ved Vyasa. Bhagvat Gita was written/ recited by Krishna. Ramatyana was written by Valmiki. Were they brahmins? No!
Aryan ethno-centrism is now being brought into discourse by some people who have a mis-guided notions of being Aryans, as if Aryan word inmplies some superiority, which it doesn't. The indigenous people of India were far uperior to the so-called Aryans. Now this too needs to be said: Barhmins too are indigenous people. They are not any different from other Indians. If you go from Tamil Nadu to Kashmir and Maharashtra to Bengal, you cannot escape this fact: A Tamil Brahmin is indisngushable from the normal tamil person. A Bengali Brahmin looks like the avera
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by DDBhaumik on Jun 05, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
A Bengali Brahmin looks like the average bengali, and the kashmiri Brahmin is an average Kashmiri.
Looking at this scenario, are we all not equals? No indian is superior to another indian due to his/ her caste, birth, religion, profession, lineage. Let's debunk claims of superiority based on caste or race, by certian classes of people. It is our own efforts, achievements, and conduct which make us superior or inferior to others.
RE:RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:55 PM Permalink
We'll keep dragging the aryan invasion corpse as long as it suits us just like you were practicing the caste system as long as it suited you! Fair enough sanjay bhaskar ?
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 04, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
If we are so broader and accepting, why are we not allowing them into our temples?
RE:RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
Mr Sanjay,if a temple is a bedroom then no one except your wife should enter! You should keep even the priests out !
RE:RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 04, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
Sanjay, I would help anybody if I can, if they ask me, and if they gain consideranly more than I lose.
And, I am not sure you are the spokesman who can talk on behalf of all temple owners (or followers or devotees) who will decide whether anybody will be allowed into temples.
And I really don't see the connection between me allowing somebody to sleep in my house and poeple being allowed to pray in temples.
RE:RE:RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 05, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
Mr sanjay just now you were making tall claims that the word religion & caste should be wiped off all application forms. And now you want to know if I am a christian? Does it really matter or does it to the RSS folk?
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 04, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
We allowed them (some came), they misbehaved (which I doubt), and banned all of them. Is that a valid reason?
About beef and other rules that cannot be broken, these are the same kind of reasons they are going to say why they are not accepting our faith. They also have some rules which cannot be broken.
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 05, 2007 12:19 AM Permalink
Sarath Chandra, just a friendly comment ... Are you a Libran? Born between September 23 and October 22? I guess you like arguing very much. You are fond of talking about the "other point of view"? I read many of your other posts in other dicussions and I think you like arguing just for the sake of arguing.
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 05, 2007 12:40 AM Permalink
Dheeraj, Come on, What's there to be offended in what you have written. I am a cancerian, born Jul 4. I look at these exchanges as discussions rather than arguments.
About my fondness for the other point of view, I find 99% people defending any part of their own identity and refusing to acknowledge any flaws in that. When attacked, the most common form of defence is usually saying somebody else is worse again. The arguments go something like this, starting with "you are bad", followed by "you are worse", followed by "you are worst", then "you are worster" and so on alternatively, putting in some "reasons" or the other for saying so. For once I think all of us should ask ourselves the same questions and improve ourselves rather than prove the other person (or faith) is worse. I am putting forward my thoughts with the aim not to prove what is better, but with an aim to correct all the flaws that may exist among us.
In a way, I am happy with these forums. I am optimistic they will help.
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:13 PM Permalink
Have you ever heard of an Indian being turned out of a mosque or a church , even if he is a beggar ? Long live brahminism which is the other name for hinduism!!
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
Mr raimer,A great tamil poet once said that "in the smile of a poor man(beggar) one can see God" We all know that you brahmana's babies have built temples only because YOU & you alone can live of them ! How will you entertain beggars even if they are hindus !
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Raj Kumar on Jun 05, 2007 12:31 AM Permalink
Dear Tamil Arasan,
Your answers are all great to the so many radical right wing views posted. People like you do a great service towards secular nature of our Great Indian Democracy, which is on the fast track to becoming a Super-Power with the virtue of secular democratic fundamentals.
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
Howisthat my friend,Anna too was a great poet or did'nt you know? BTW 3% of the indian population cannot clain ownership of hindustan. Don't the recent polls indicate so?
@arasan: you are a known Xtian convert. Why don;t you allow Indian State to manage church affairs forst before opening your mouth, as happens with Hindu temples?
XTIANITY'S FATE IN INDIA IS SECURED AS LONG AS HINDUS ARE DIVIDED ALONG CASTE.
THAT"S THE REASON WHY YOU CONVERTS ALWAYS TALK ABOUT CASTE POLEMIC.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, EVERYBODY NOW UNDERSTAND THIS, AND THRO' HINDUTVA THEY WILL RESOLVE THIS ISSUE:)-
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by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
My dear Baskar RSS Chatopadyay. It is becoming a fashion for RSS/VHP guys to brand all opposion as mullah,marxist or Xian giving the idea that all hindus approve your hindutva stuff. If it is so why is your so called nationalist party sliding towards oblivion so fast. Moderate hindus want to have nothing with you?
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 05, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
My dear bhaskar ,I think we are giving too much credit to your mythical brahmin brilliance ! Martin luther king was an afro-american who was born after hitler ! How can hitler follow him? You must be refering to martin Luther. Hitler was an atheist who never went to church. Critics say he was the illegimate child of a jewish father who deserted his mom. Hence his hatred for jews . What better way to instigate passion other than religion as you guys are doing now! So he spread the message that he hated jews because they killed jesus christ! as if he cared! Jayalalitha has jailed sankarachariar for drug abuse & murder! Does it mean that all brahmanas are high on marijuana & brown sugar always & they go around killing people gangland style? Think my friend.
RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Hey sanjay choudry ! First mind your language! For your kind info. Sambar is the delicacy of brahmana babies like you in TN. I don't want to make a fool of myself by trying to enter any place of worship only to be turned down & insulted!
RE:RE:All beliver should be allowed
by Tamil Arasan on Jun 04, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
My dear sanjay baby. The minorities & dalits feel safer in a kaba than in gujarat!
In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna has made it clear that things change according to time. The orthodox Hindus followed certain customs based on hygiene (the mensuration period of women when they are not supposed to enter places of worship or even touch other people in the house) "pula" or defilement on account of birth or death, which non-Hindus do not follow. So the non-Hindus were debarred temple entry. But the orthodox Bhramins barred even Hindus who followed these rituals, for reasons of having born in low caste. The progressive Maharaja of Travancore stepped in and changed the law. But in the erstwhile Malabar area the Orthodox Bhramins did not budge. Thus came the famous Guruvayur Satyagraham by the then Congress leader Kelappaji with his then disciple AKG or A.K.Gopalan, the veteran Marixist leader of later days and forced the authorities to change the law and allow the then "untouchable" Hindus to enter the temple. The great devotee of Sree Guruvayurappan, singer K.J.Yesudas was denied entry by the same Orthodoxy. And now even the children of a Hindu whose marriage was solemnised as per Hindu custom and whose family live like Hindus, are not given freedom to worship their dear Lord. A second Guruvayur Satyagraha is required to change the mind set. That is the need of the hour.
Kazi Nazrul Islam, one of India's most famous poet who wrote revolutionary poems in Bengal ALSO WROTE PROBABLY THE BESTEST SHYAMA SANGEET (Songs in honor of Goddess Kali).
BUT CPIM DID NOT DEMAND NAZRUL BE ALLOWED IN KALIGHAT TEMPLE. NEITHER NAZRUL DEMANDED THAT.
CPIM IS KERALA IS MOST CASTEIST, MOST COMMUNAL PARTY IN INDIA.
its doing all thse for Votebank Politics.
YESUDAS HIMSELF SAID IN CNN-IBN HE IS A XTIAN. UNLESS HE IS A HINDU, WHY NE NEEDS TO VISIT A HINDU TEMPLE?
AR RAHMAN NEVER DEMANDS HE BE ALLOWED TO A HINDU TEMPLE.
ITS TIME PEOPLE WAKE UP AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT HOW XTIANS ARE TRYING TO MANIPULATE PROPAGANDA.
Recently one comparitivly new Church the Muringoor Dhyaanakendram in Trichur district in Kerala, whose actual purpose was conversion was the eye of a storm. So many complaints went against it, but the Marxists or Congress Governments did nothing.
Finally the court interfered and constituted an equiry team. The team found large scale use of drugs, 974 unusual deaths in last 10 years, 34 dead bodies in dubious circumstances near the railway track of the church. And also unauthorised treatment of Psychatric disorders.
While the investigating Team was questioning the employer of a public cemetry in Ernakulam district where those dead bodies from this church was used to get cremated, a call came from the church, whether they can send a dead body there right then !!!
Still the Marxists of the Congress have no qualms. CPM state secratery Pinarayi Vijayan visited the church and he said , they are doing "Great Social Work"
Guruvayoor is a century old historic shrine which is running very well and they are all out to destroy it.
RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Great Indian on Jun 04, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
Yes Dear Bhaskar. We have to wait for another Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa or the great Swami Vivekananda to come and revive/save Hinduism from the Worst religion - Christianity.
RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
You are a good example of a tolerant Hindu, aren't you? Xtians of Kerala are a peace loving lot who have set up most of the educational institutions and hospitals in the state. If Kerala has such a high rate of literacy (compare to W. Bengal and our Northie bhaiyyas), it because of the Xtian community.
RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Raj Kumar on Jun 05, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
Well said Pramod. Thanks to Christianity and Islam, we are a secular country today, otherwise we would have been another extreme nation like our Islamic state neighbours.
RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by HHH on Jun 04, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
Hey Pramod, If the price of your so called help is conversion then clsoe shop and scoot. There is difference between tolerance and ignorance. Dont meld the two for your own interests.
RE:RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
99% of those who study in Christian institutions are Hindus. And so are 99% of patients in hospitals such as CMC, Vellore. Perhaps you studied in a Christian institution yourself? Your language resembles English closely :-), so there is a good chance you studied in an Xtian institution. How many of them have been converted? The percentage of Xtians in India is not more than 5%. Have your historical defeats so unnerved you that you have become scared of ghosts??
RE:RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:13 PM Permalink
And judging from the recent mass conversion of Dalits to Buddhism, Hinduism is dying in India.
RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Raj Kumar on Jun 05, 2007 01:24 AM Permalink
Dear Sanjay,
Nothing is imported, in today's globalized world when more and more Indian's are trotting all over the world in respectable professions / positions. We are all human beings (same family of species); be it in Europe or Africa or America or Asia. '000's years ago Europe and Middle East were also worshipping idols/stones etc..., before the dawning of Judaism; Christianity and Islam. There are many museums world over about these, so nothing is imported, and nobody has any right to preach against any body's choice of RELIGION/PRACTISE etc...
By the way are you aware Christianity in India is 2000 years old and Islam about a 1000 years old ??? So please respect your fellow Indians, as they respect you and your religion.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
If we did not import some ideas from the West, where would we be today? Sati, widow remarriage, untouchability, human sacrifice, child marriage, temple "dancers" (for the priests to enjoy)... Look at your countrymen lining up outside the U.S. embassy to go and study there. Why don;t they be patriotic and stay here and study in a Sanskrit university?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Facts of Dirty Marxists and Congress people.
by Pramod Cherian on Jun 04, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
Maybe the same logic could be applied in the USA. Hinduism is an imported religion and does not belong in the USA. Will the Indian diaspora (many of whom are U.S. citizens) like that??
RE:RE:RE:priest did it CORRECT !!!!!
by dtr on Jun 04, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
you can fight with Muslim and CHristians, but do not drag 'INDIA or Hindustan' into it.INDIAN consititution were supposed to be respected by every citizen. So from that perspective, everyone is equal.
RE:priest did it CORRECT !!!!!
by Linu Mohan on Jun 04, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
How can fanatics like this persons-howisthat or sanjay choudhary say they are indian citizens??India is first of all a secular state. These persons doesn't deserve a place in India
RE:priest did it CORRECT !!!!!
by Raj Kumar on Jun 05, 2007 12:53 AM Permalink
Dear Sanjay,
"Tolerance" is the language of the civilized world. "Threats"; "Aggressive" attitude are serious "No No" in today's age and in the years ahead as India takes centre stage in the more and more globalized world. So either you change your attitude of your postings/language against other religions or seriously take any other recourse to be a proper fit in a "Tolerance Seeking World". Tolerance is the aspect that should be in a Temple or Mosque or Church or Gurudwara etc... If it is not, then it is not a place of worship for those seeking GOD's providence. Then it is better off they convert to a religion which shows them LOVE and ACCEPTS them with grace.
RE:RE:priest did it CORRECT !!!!!
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
howisthat
Unfortunately as you thing christians or muslims are not intrested in entering dirty IDOL worshipping PAGANS as you say but in this case it was poor woman without choice who was victimised.
RE:priest did it CORRECT !!!!!
by memita devi on Jun 04, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
r u mad? what is running in ur body? is it some ganga water or is it the blood? hey man its life. u live it once. live and let live. religion is just a path to reach to the Almighty. have u ever seen ur type of god. hey man god is the inspiration thats always with u. if u believe that u will go to ur type of place to pray to god and think that there only u can meet him u r wrong. what when u are away from the temple? the rest of the time when u r in some restaurant or on the road? god is within u? the temple is some place where u feel that u can relax ur mind, make urself composed and feel the almighty inside. its just a ritual. its just a faith. if someone( be it hindu or muslim or christian or sikh) comes to temple and praying u have no right to intervene. he is interacting with his own self. then who the hell are u? if u think that is wrong u have all evil inside u. how many tirth yatra and dhams u visit u can never find the almighty because u have become the evil and god has already left u.
RE:priest did it CORRECT !!!!!
by memita devi on Jun 05, 2007 12:03 AM Permalink
why woul u invite anyone to come nad pray to temple? people come and pray? they wont come by someones compulsion. hey dont think too much, its nothing. if someone wants to pray let them pray. if they dont want to pray they wont come agai. if some christian or muslim comes to atemple let them see the beauty the peace the faith. we should be proud of that. dont involve in such issues, better work hard to live a prosperious life. live n let live. xplore new ideas for a better society. there is no better religion than the humanity. if u want to discuss in this again i guess u people are only some bore, like me , nothing to do. just passing time. ha ha ha. anyways i at least tried to blend it into a positive stream. what r u still doing? time pass?
