RE:90 % of people in the world does not know what GOD OR DIVINITY is all about
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 05, 2007 03:12 AM Permalink
THOSE IDIOTS WILL OR MUST HAVE TO PAY BACK AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE SAME EARTH AND PAY BACK HERE ON THIS EARTH FOR THEIR IGNORANT ACTIONS. DO YOU THINK THE WORLD IS UNDERGOING THROUGH CURRENT TURMOIL JUST FOR FUN OR JUST FOR FREE. IT IS PURELY THE PAST ACTIONS OF THOSE MANIACS AND IGNORANT ONES WHO ARE PAYING BACK FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
RE:time to bed
by mehfooz ahmad on Jun 05, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
i expect the same response from you.only the persons like you can respond in this way.if i had been in your place i'd have replied more sensibly for the farewell message like mine.
RE:time to bed
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 05, 2007 03:20 AM Permalink
DEAR Humanvalue, be caful of what you write. I donot know what is the matter with Mehfooz or what his postings were, but I think, this is a bit too much from your side on attacking ones own family. I know there are cases where people behave like animals, but since there are atleast one or two nice people in the forum, just for those one or 2 good people, we should respect each other. I guess, this is the attitude of a respectful rediff citizen. Rest, I leave it to your own instincts. Good luck.
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 05, 2007 02:59 AM Permalink
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit.
"These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
RE:RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 05, 2007 03:00 AM Permalink
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 05, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
I don't think it is more important to preserve the race than just allowing two individuals to marry if they want to (whatever caste or race they belong to. Besides intercaste marriage or inter religion marriage is not interracial marriage. Besides I don't think there is any proof of interracial marriages producing disadvantaged kids. If at all, the disadvataged kids are more probable the closer you are to the person you are marrying.
Caste system exists everywhere. But it is porous. In India, we built walls around and then iron gates, and divided each other. Elsewhere, they treat it purely as division of labor and in any such cases there is no real point in dividing individuals by names. They categorize themselves automatically. What advantage is there is naming the 4 classes of people? Other countries do it, and really well, without such formal classification.
RE:RE:EVERY SOCIETY ALL OVER THE WORLD HAS CASTE SYSTEM IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 05, 2007 05:56 AM Permalink
CASTE SYSTEM WAS FORMULATED TO BE FOLLOWED TO PRESERVE THE MAGNANIMOUS VEDIC SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE, WHICH REQUIRES UTMOST PURITY OF BODY, MIND WHICH IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE POSSESSED BY THE CATEGORY OF BRAMHINS. THOSE WHO KNOW BRAMHA OR ALL PERVADING GOD BY SELF-EXPERIENCE ARE TO BE CALLED BRAMHINS AND NOT EVERY TOM,DICK & HARRY WHO JUST WORE SACRED THREAD AND MUGGED UP VEDIC HYMNS AND MANTRAS.
THOSE WHO HAD EXPERIENCE OF ALL PERVADING DIVINITY ARE THE ONES WHO CAN BEST PRESERVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE BY WAY OF TRANSFERRING FROM ONE GENERATIN TO THE NEXT INSTEAD OF JUST WRITTEN OR DOCUMENTED FORM OF THE KNOWLEDGE.
REMEMBER: HUMAN MIND IS THE BEST WAY TO TRANSFER AND PRESERVE KNOWLEDGE RATHER THAN STONES OR BOOKS, SINCE EVERYTHING ELSE IS SUBJECT TO DESTRUCTION IN THE LONG RUN OF SAY 1000 years e.t.c.
RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by crazyforsense on Jun 05, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
@Bhaskar...
Protestant Churches in India are indianized. For eg. in Kerala most Christians will proudly display the bindi on their foreheads...a Hindu tradition by all accounts.
So are Catholic churches. You can find lot of Christians in Goa who sport a "bindi" as part of their Indian roots.
Also Indian Churches do not get money from the West, I do not know where you get that idea from. However some Western churches (the obscure ones) SOMETIMES end up sending insensitive missionaries that eventually cause trouble.
I agree however forced or induced conversions, if they occur at all should be banned. People should be free to choose what they want.
RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by Human Value on Jun 05, 2007 03:00 AM Permalink
Eagle, Ask the Muslims Ask the Spanish They are the ones who indulged in that. Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion
RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by Humanvalue on Jun 05, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
I am inclined to believe you. The churches are Indianized but Indian Christians still look up to a Western missionary as some superior force. This is how the West rules the Indian Christian minds - moral conquest!
RE:RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by eagle on Jun 05, 2007 02:59 AM Permalink
Also that is becoz, if you can understand religion is more about heart and not about status quo.
RE:RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by regila jeba on Jun 05, 2007 03:00 AM Permalink
You are sure to be a terrorist. Your thoughts depict terrorism and hatred. Please repent.
RE:RE:RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by regila jeba on Jun 05, 2007 03:02 AM Permalink
Hold on mate... What do you mean by conversion? Has any one been tortured to be converted? Has any one been killed for not having converted? Conversion happens as a change of desire to seek the living God. NO ONE CAN EVER CONVERT ANYONE FORCIBLY.
RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by Human Value on Jun 05, 2007 03:07 AM Permalink
See that mor*n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion
RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by Humanvalue on Jun 05, 2007 02:44 AM Permalink
Same applies to "Babar ki Aulad" - they keep getting grants and Prostituti*n money from Aribs.
RE:Like in China, Church in India must also be Indianized
by eagle on Jun 05, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
What human value, what is that you have "selective amnesia". Why only hyderabd. Why not mumbai and all other cities in india. With maximum population of india being hindhus. Who do you think are encouraging this.
RE:Hey Mehfooz
by Humanvalue on Jun 05, 2007 02:47 AM Permalink
Your God is doing a bad job in showing the path. Look at the path he showed to the girls in HYD. May be it is not your God - made be it your mullahs!
RE:Hey Mehfooz
by mehfooz ahmad on Jun 05, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
humanvalue, i think you are sexually frustrated.everytime talking about prostitutions,girls, why?????????
RE:Hey Mehfooz
by Human Value on Jun 05, 2007 02:57 AM Permalink
Answer this question first: Why do you musl*ms sell your own daughters? Is that not disgusting?
Being patient with those who differ from us, with those who oppose us, with those who aren't patient with us is the real need of the day...especiallt here in rediff...
RE:need of the day..
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 05, 2007 02:41 AM Permalink
Kumar, Nice message. All of us need to ne tolerant and understanding. To justify not being tolerant citing other groups' intolerance is cyclic and injustifiable. If a person's faith preaches tolerance and he abandons it, it is as good as he abandoned his faith (though that is not why I would prefer anybody to choose tolerance. I think tolerance should be chosen just because it makes more sense).
As for red indians, I think it is more a case of violence than an attempt to convert. Here at Rediff, nobody is wanting to harm anybody, just trying to convince themselves and others that their belief system is the best. So its better to have a constructive criticism/discussion to promote understanding than going hammer and tongs abusing each other and losing temper.
RE:d
by eagle on Jun 05, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
Atlast, There you go. That is what i was trying to tell you all the time those are catholic churches and you are so ignorant about christianity.
Hmm. When was the last time you went with a open clean heart to understand what anyother religion is about.
If you have read any book about leadership. You will know. THe difference between "masses" and the "leader".
You are the part of the mass. All you do is what your leaders tell you. You need to seek the truth yourself.
Bible never teaches to worship idols. Coz no one has seen the creator.
Brother, lets come to a peaceful conclusion. You need to know lot about christianity. dont need a deep study. Just the basics. Try to find on the internet about Sermon on the mount. That is what christians ought to be doing. If they are not doing it they they are not christians. but name sakes.
Phew, Alas, it too such a long time for you to ask this question.
But what ever you are reading read it with a positive a open mind. Dont try to bend things to your understanding. Read things as it is.
I am glad you raised that question. Finally something pertinent. My understanding is (and I am not the authority on this, but most have this understanding).....whenever an idol is worshipped in a state of drunken stupor....it is an idol, not a representation of God. If you are worshipping or revering an idol in a pious state that isn't called "idol worship", atleast not in the sense it was intended.
Back in the day (if the day existed), the Ten Commandments had a huge context associated with it. At the time, the people whom God had rescued from near slavery at the hands of the Pharoah, became wayward. They started fornicating & committing adultery. Also they started worshipping any object they found in a DRUNKEN STATE OF MIND. This (the drunken lewd behavior) is what was found most objectionable....and hence the edict...."Thou shalt not worship any idols".....As I said, there was a context to it, which most conveniently forget.
Bottomline, even in Christianity idol worship is OK so long as it really is a representation of God and you are pious about doing it. Make sense?
RE:d
by crazyforsense on Jun 05, 2007 03:26 AM Permalink
@sanjay "Then why Hindus are ridiculed as idol worshippers and not christians too?"
I personally don't ridicule any worshipper. Period. So I can't answer that. If it makes you feel better, most people I know don't ridicule Hindu worshippers either. Some uninformed obscure western missionary might....that too those not belonging to the main denominations.
Personally, if what you are worshipping is a representation of God, that is not "idol worship". Hopefully, most know this difference. "Idol Worship" is when you are worshipping the idol for what it is....meaning you are worshipping the idol literally....not the God(s) it actually represents to you.
All my sentences seem to be getting truncated incoherently.
PUNJAB IS THE TARGET OF MISSIONARIES FOR LAST 100 PLUS YEARS.
THEY WANTED TO CREATE A XTIAN COUNTRY IN NORTHERN INDIA SO THEY CAN ACT AS STOOGE OF WESTERN INTEREST.
ITS THIS SITUATION, CONVERSION OF LARGE SCALE WHICH FORCED THE RISE OF SWAMI DAYANAND SARASWATI, WHO PRACTICALLY PROTECTED HINDU/SIKH RELIGION IN NORTHERN INDIA.
EVEN LAST SIKH RULER WAS CONVERTED TO XTIANITY WHEN HE WAS BROUGHT TO ENGLAND.
