RE:Why only Hindus?
by George Abraham on Jun 05, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
Churches allow both christians and non-christians to enter and worship God. Because christianity does not believe in labels. It is mind that does matter.
RE:Why only Hindus?
by Vas on Jun 05, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Really? You allow nonchristians to worship in church for the sole purpose of their becoming christians. How come a christian is NOT allowed to marry a non-christian in a church unless the non-christian has been officially converted to christianity. The church does NOT recognize non-christian-christian marriages! How come? If all are equal in the eyes of God, how come the official tag of 'christian' is needed to be recognized as man & wife by the church? Christianbity has NEVER been about equality and brotherhood - it has always been about equality only among chrstians - everyone else is deemed unequal! So cut the bullshit!
RE:RE:Why only Hindus?
by George Abraham on Jun 06, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
We believe that christianity is not only for christians but also for all the humans that is why every one is allowed in the church. Yes, some non-christians are coming to church and convert into christians, some are not, some are coming to church and also to other places of worship. It is the individual's choice. If somebody comes to the church and getting coverted into christianity what is wrong in it. You are afraid that if this trend continues all the hindus will convert into christianity. If God's wish is like that no one can stop it. What do you mean by church does NOT recognize non-christian-christian marriages! Why should church recognize or derecognize a marriage? Recognition of marriage is the duty of the government not the church. For example if a marriage is done in the church the govt. is recognising it and not the vice versa happens. Even if there is a marriage between christian and non-christian happened the couple can come to the church for worshipping. The church will not be washed for purification because christianity gives importance only to purification of mind. Christianity NEVER discriminates in terms of caste. Even a dalit can become priests and bishops (it happened and is happening) in the church.
RE:shudras emanated from brahma's legs
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
KSM Sundaram-shame on u for parrotting these rotten things from that rotten Manu smruti written by that fake Manu. Dump Manu Smriti. SEE what Gita has to say? The varnas r based on qualities and deeds and not birth.(SEe Chapter 4, verse no.13 of Gita) Futher the lord says in Gita" I am equally present in all beings; None is dear to me and none is hated by me".(verse no.9:29)Further in Chapter 12, he says that "be friendly and compassionate to all beings".
RE:shudras emanated from brahma's legs
by Krishna Prasad on Jun 05, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
Hey Mr, do not such bad thoughts . it is you who is polluting to have such hatred towards other people.
On that day, thousands of public including ladies, children etc. suffered a lot who stand in queue for long hours and lot of them returned without praying Guruvaryoorappan. It is only happened because the VVIP's grandson's feeding ceremoney. Is this right? Lot of people who came that day may come from very far and spending lot of money. In front of God, everybody is equal. God will not bless on such VVIPs.
RE:Feeding Cermoney
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 05, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Rich people are praying at big temples to show their great bhakti and almighty only knows whether they are even giving alms to poor people.
RE:Feeding Cermoney
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Let all Rich people not become member of Samajawadi party, communist Party and congress Party and NGOs.
RE:Feeding Cermoney
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Yeah! These parties (particularly Congress and Communists) r the root cause of all problems in India.
Sir: These jokers (READ POLITICIANS) should end this public exhibition of religion to please the GODS. Let religion be a purely personal affair and not be a public affair.
I dont understand why the hell the govt created devaswam board for hindus. For all others they are taking care of their religious matters. Then why dont govt allow hindus to administer their temples? Why there is a devaswam minister for hindus only? Why these board members are allowed to loot the money of the devotees? Is it possible with a mosque or a church?
RE:RE:Devaswam Board
by valsan poduval on Jun 05, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
you are correct. The left parties preaching that they have no faith in god. The present Devaswom Minister is talking like an illeterate. He has no right to talk aganst the thanthri. The thanthri is just doing his duty without looking the faces. No body can blame him. There is no necessisity of aDevaswom Minister. The ministers should use their tenure for the development of the state. People are appreciating THe Chief Minister's take over of OF govt land. Leave the gods and the pujaris to do their duties. OTHERWISE PEOPLE START REACTING.YOU WILL REGRET IT LATER.
RE:Devaswam Board
by Anil Prasad on Jun 05, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
Request all devotees visiting Major Kerala temples not to offer anything as offerings (Puja, Archana etc.) as the money of the same is not going to the lord or for the welfare of the religion & temple. It is simply going to the Govt. (ultimately to the non believers like Communists, Muslims, Christians etc.).
RE:Devaswam Board
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
because, in Hinduism, people started playing with the sentiments and faith of devotees and started looting them in several ways of pujas, archanas, abhishekams, havans, dakshinas, over and above keeping donation box (Hundiyal) in every nook and corner of the temple, which have become money minting machines for the authorities. More so, most of the temples were the private praying places of the Maharajas who have bequethed large portion of immovable properties and land in the name of the temple/trust. After the era of Mahararajas, people started encroaching and looting the properties and income of these temples, which prompted the Government to form the Devaswom Board and a ministry to that effect.
Even today, all the temples are not under the control of Devaswom Board - there are thousands of temples which run by its members and trust.
RE:Devaswam Board
by Swaroop on Jun 05, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
And after Devaswam board's take over, what change happened? Pujas, archanas, abhishekams etc etc are still there, rt? Maharajas were replaced by politicians and their representatives. While the pujaris were earning some coins(looting eh!!!) that time, today it is crores using the board membership.
RE:RE:RE:Devaswam Board
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
that is because, the politicians cannot digest others doing their job of looting the treasure of the public - so they thought of formulating a way to get in to the treasure of the temples... very simple dear
RE:RE:Devaswam Board
by radha pune on Jun 05, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
But there could be mismanagement in the shrines of other religions as well. Any attempt to unearth them?
RE:Devaswam Board
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
Radha - other religions (unfortunately in India) are terms as minorities, who can enjoy any benefit without any restrictions.
RE:biz Narayan
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
1-Bhuteshu is not acceptable as the coomon use of 'being' in modernity. SO your translation is not acceptable.
2-Sam is not the monkey equality that politicians preach. I admire you reading and preaching Geeta, but please, this is a hate forum manged by rediff. Please give us your valuable thoughts in a different forum. To clarify the issue you have here, if I say 'sambadatwam'-> would you translate speak to all animals and humans ? Please say us the right meaning in a good forum.
RE:biz Narayan
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
The class and equality are marxist uses inspecific rules, though these words are independent and can be used in other rules. You used them when this was not requred, or probably misused one of them.
RE:biz Narayan
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
Why not make the hate forum into a good forum????? We have two options: 1.Allow the good to crowd out the evil: or 2.Allow the evil to crowd out the good.
By the way I am no fan /admirer of other religions. I point out chapter and verse from their scriptures to them in rediff. And they also hurl personal abuses like u do. If u want to know, this is the way in which followers of two other religions debate. Visit www.faithfreedom.org to learn more of these debating techniques
It is most unfortunate that some temple authroities are acting dogmatically in this twnety first century like primitive fundamentalists. The attitude of the people should change and should avoid visiting such temples if discrimination is shown and all the sane people should even boycott such temples and collectively fight in an intellectual manner. Whether it is a temple,church,maszid,synagoge or any place of worship, every one should be allowed to offer prayers.
RE:Entry into Temples
by venkatachalam iyer on Jun 05, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
Yes. I agree with you. If the temple authorities are dancing to your tune and fancy please do not go to that temple. If you have not adopted the rules prevailing at the temple and if you do not like you are at liberty to keep your self away from the temple. Can you go to church or masque and pray Lord Rama or Krishna. Hindu laws have been changed so many times by Indian(anti-Hndu)Government. If it is really secular, the Indian Government should also remove the practise and preaching of these religion in the church and mosque anti-human right and many clauses in their holy books comple to go against the humanright and interfere the rights of the other relegions. When the central minister vayalar ravi note and interfer in the affairs of the church and mosque and give justice to christians and muslims and also the others in India who wants to live peacefully.
RE:RE:Entry into Temples
by R Sreekumar on Jun 05, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Who created these rules in the first place - God/Gods or it/ their men? If the latter, then these tiny minority have no place in a democracry where rule of law and equality should prevail.
These rules are nothing but discriminatory and idiotic - irrespective of which religious priests put them in place.
RE:RE:RE:Entry into Temples
by Ramanath Babu on Jun 05, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Mr. Sreekumar,
YOu are from Kerala, the birth place of Adi Shankara. The protocol of almost all temples in Kerala is prescribed by this Great Guru. I am sure, you have ZERO knowledge about this Guru, who is acknowledged world-over, but is comparatively un-known (in the sense thaty most of the people are ignorant about his advaita vedanta).
Try to know him better, may be your life will take changed course hereon.
RE:Entry into Temples
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Venkatachalam - you seems to have got my message... Moral of the discussion: do not go to a temple if you do not believe in the prevailing system there....
RE:RE:Entry into Temples
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
fine - then also have the priests and management from non-brahmin community. conduct yourself all activities and do not depend upon brahmins for anything..
Let all brahmins and thanthris, namboodiris, pandits go on a day's vacation...and see what hapens to the temples.. and other religious ceremonies....
RE:Entry into Temples
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
world will not get doomed even if every human being go on vacation....the faith and religious activities would come to a halt dear.... try and learn to accept the facts...
If all teachers go on a days work, there is no point in keeping the schools open.. so as the banks (for bank employees), so on....
RE:Entry into Temples
by Dilip Ranadive on Jun 05, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
You have a serious attitudanal problem, friend. Precisely the attitude which has been the cause of present downfall of Hindu relegion. Please reform your mind....if people like you remain as you appear to be, Hinduism will perish .
RE:Entry into Temples
by ganesh krish on Jun 05, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
world will be a better place if there are no middle men in religion. why feed brahmin if I want to talk to God?? should stop religion from intervening politics, should stop darmastanams and Muts from becoming power centers
RE:Entry into Temples
by Prathap p on Jun 05, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
If you mean thanthri as a middle man, then I would say these politican will take away even the idol and sell it. Don't believe politicians they are ready to play religious card, secular card, caste card to make others fight each other and they will drink and enjoy seing the fight.They are bloodt cheats.
RE:Entry into Temples
by R Sreekumar on Jun 05, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
You arrogant, idiotic fool. Nothing will happen if you all so called twice born brahmins go on leave - even if it is permanent leave from this world.
The world will not stop functioning. The so called Gods of the so called believers are not your captives, you idiot.
Stop making yourself look like an idiot and invite the ridicule and contempt of people around. Get some real education and life.
RE:Entry into Temples
by jitendra Tiwari on Jun 05, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
sreekumar u r biggest matarchod of this century. Best of luck And lasttly,Bramans are part of Brahma god.If they will go on vacation,then god will go on vacation,do u know what will happen than jesus and Allah will come capture u.Now u decide,with whom u want to stay.
RE:Entry into Temples
by R Sreekumar on Jun 05, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
First I forgive you for your abusive language.
Secondly, I think it is a good idea and i think you should take the lead in organising a strike of the brahmin community. That way we will get to see if your concocted theory actually turns out to be true or not. Do you have the courage, man?
Even if you die or I die, nothing is going to happen in our family, let alone the village or state or the country. It is the case with everyone. Somebody's presence or absence will not make any difference in this world.
However, if all Brahmins go on leave for a day, ofcourse, there will be some problem in temples. To know what are those problem you must udnerstand the difference between PRAYER and PUJA. All can do prayers, but only a brahmin will do Puja, since it is a specialised job, which he knows better. Without Brahmin you can do prayer, but not Puja. To understand this, you must be a beliver in God. A communicst like will not understand this.
RE:RE:Entry into Temples
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 12:11 PM Permalink
Sreekumar - this is what precisely I want to happen - so reduce the dependancy on Brahmins..so long as you depend on them for certain special things, you are under their diktats...
