Student: A thief was caught escaping from the safe of the bank with bags of cash in his hand. No one actually saw him grab the money from the safe. But they caught him as he was exiting the safe room. The thief tells the judge that a MAGICAL FLYING PIG gave him the money. The Judge asks him for proof of the magical pig, or at least circumstantial evidence. The thief tells the judge to have blind faith in him. Will the judge belive the thief?
Religious Leader: Grrrr... ok forget the act of creation. Now tell me, what existed before the big bang?
Student: Nothing. If time did not exist, then there is no question of BEFORE.
Religious Leader: How did something come from nothing?
Student: To be frank, no one knows
Religious Leader: Aha got you there!! Science cannot answer that. The answer is "God created everything from nothing".
Student: How did God do that?
Religious Leader: No one knows
Student: How does God manifest his powers?
Religious Leader: No one knows
Student: What is god at a fundamental level ? What is he made of ?
Religious Leader: No one knows
Student: Ok, forget the fundamental level. At least show me god
Religious Leader: No I cannot
Student: Who created god?
Religious Leader: No one knows.
Student: So Religion does not have ANY of the answers.
Religious Leader: Get lost you sick idiot! I've got a job to keep.
RE:..
by cheriyan jacob on Jun 05, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
ha ha ha atlast i found someone in line with my thinking. but you know one thing?? not believing is also a belief!!!!! and such people form a "Religion" too...
Christians threw Mahatma Gandhi out of the train, bcoz he had black skin. Christians took black innocent people (like us) from Africa as slaves and sold them in Europian markets. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned and tortured by Christians, Martin Luther King was totured by Christians. Recently Shilpa Shetty was insulted by christians bcoz she is an asian.
In Iraq, Sunnis and Shias are killing each other for their different caste. In Afghanistan the same problem is there.
These type of problems are there in every religions. But I believe Hindus will definitely resolve the problems that they have due to social reason (not religious reason) and also they will resolve the problems peacfully as they believe in NONVIOLENCE.
"Basudeyva Kuttumbakkam" i.e. The Whole World Is One Family.
RE:Hindus need to be matured and resolve all type of social issues...
by Bhaya Kolkatta on Jun 05, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
I would like to ask vialar ravi one question... Can he go to as close as 7km distant from Mecca?? the answer is NO.
Then why he is ranting. Rules are rules and they arre for everybody.
RE:RE:Hindus need to be matured and resolve all type of social issues...
by Rashmi on Jun 05, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
Hi Bhaya, We cant justify our fault, bcoz the same fault is there in other religion. You can see what is happening between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq. Do you want to follow the same path here in India? We have to solve the problem, then only we can survive and we can grow.
So anyone can hurl abuses at hinduism without quoting chapter and verse of hindu scriptures. And if anyone challenges the person to quote Chapter no and verse no, it is marked as "abuse". And if one quotes chapter and verse no. of other religions scriptures-it is abuse.?
Rediff Moderators -show me what is "abuse" in this message of mine? "Show me which chapter no. and verse no. of Gita says that Shudras should not learn vedas? Or which verse of Gita says that Shudra who learns vedas should be killed?
In fact, there r verses in Gita which slam Vedas and Vedic ritualism. Yeah! Vedas contain lot of contradictions-a fact attested to by Gita. But show me contradictions in Gita-Quote Chapter and verse No.
Show me the Chapter no. and verse no. Valmiki Ramayan where this Sambooka episode is mentioned. In any case Ramayan is descriptive(what actually happened) and not prescriptive(what should be done).Gita says what should be done(i.e.prescriptive). In any case, one should prefer the latest over older things and therefore Gita and not ramayan should be followed if there is a conflict between them.
Show me contradictions in Gita.Quote Cahpter No. and Verse No."
RE:So Rediff Moderator allow biased comments against hinduism
by Krishna on Jun 10, 2007 02:13 AM Permalink
blah.. blah...blah...blah... its funy to see your emotions... wake up dude!
Mr Ravi apart from your sob stories think u r not having religious tolerance with yr wife & not allowing her to practice christianity(I am a Hindu ) bcoz yr folks wud not hv agreed for the marriage etc.So u hv no right to argue with Guruvayoor priests.Proverb "1 finger pointing towards others remember 4 fingers pointing towards u"
Show me which chapter no. and verse no. of Gita says that Shudras should not learn vedas? Or which verse of Gita says that Shudra who learns vedas should be killed?
In fact, there r verses in Gita which slam Vedas and Vedic ritualism. Yeah! Vedas contain lot of contradictions-a fact attested to by Gita. But show me contradictions in Gita-Quote Chapter and verse No.
Show me the Chapter no. and verse no. Valmiki Ramayan where this Sambooka episode is mentioned. In any case Ramayan is descriptive(what actually happened) and not prescriptive(what should be done).Gita says what should be done(i.e.prescriptive). In any case, one should prefer the latest over older things and therefore Gita and not ramayan should be followed if there is a conflict between them.
Show me contradictions in Gita.Quote Cahpter No. and Verse No.
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by Chandu on Jun 05, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
The Sambooka incident is not in Gita, it is in Ramayana. I cannot recollect the chapterno, nevertheless it is in the 'Kanda' in which Rama is on his way to Lanka where he encounters 'Sambooka'. There is no point in yelling out at the moderator (a typical brahmin tactic). In Manusmrithi (the shari-at of hindus) it clearly says to behead the Sudra who tries to learn Veda.I have no bias and if you can answer my questions, i am ready to accept hinduism, i am a free thinker trying to get the gist of all religions though i am born in an upper caste hindu family
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by Girish on Jun 05, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
There is a lot of practical evidence of Shuudras learning Vedas and being revered by Brahmins. Most of the 12 Azhwars of Tamil Vaishnavite tradion were from the "4th varna". One of them, Nammazhwar is celebrated as 'Vedam Thamizh Seidha Maaran (one who rendered Vedas in Tamil)", and another Thirumangai Aazhwar is said to have rendered in Tamil the 6 "Angas" of Vedam. Brahmin Tamils (Aiyangars) worship these Aazhwars everyday in TN's Vishnu temples.
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
I heard that Ramanujacharya had also opposed birth-based caste and untouchability. Girish, please throw some light on this as well.
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by muthappan sathyanarayanan on Jun 05, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
Anand you are right... Sri Ramanuja fought for those who was considered as lower caste.
he made a revolution that give all that we know to everybody, if he is in desire. don't see his qualification to give things...
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 03:13 PM Permalink
Yeah! Lomaharsha and his son Sootha Maharishi were of low caste but they presided over the assembly of sages. Such was their vedic scholarship. Even Vyasa and Vidura were shudras.
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by Chandu on Jun 05, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
I am not the character who thinks being great to be born in the so called 'upper caste'. If you call me 'lower caste' I would be more happy. After all the great epics of Ramayana and Mahabharatha were written by 'Avarna' sages. The great 'Bhagawat Gita', the hindu crusaders here are talking about was the staggering creativity of an avarna called Vyasa. Even Krishna and all the 'gnan' which comes out of the characters of Mahabharatha are Vyasa's visions. Understand that first. Upper and Lower doesn't make any difference to me. It is better if the upper caste would grow a little 'upper' in their thoughts.My questions to Anand Iyer will be send soon since I am busy with my project work till weekend.
RE:Chandu-Quote Chapter and verse nos.
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
Excellent! That trashbook "Manusmrithi" which u call "the shari-at of hindus". contains all this kind of trash. But that Manu was a fake. He seems to be a Brahmin who wanted that Brahmin offsprings should get respect without achieving or doing anything. He was uncomfortable with the "class based on qualities and deeds" teachings of Gita. Manuvad is "dynastyvad". Manu smrithi should be dumped. Scientists like Opphenheimer and Einstein were inspired by Gita while we were stuchk with that trashbook Manu Smriti and lagged behind.
