Why blame Modi alone? Our newsmedia are equally guilty of creating communal tensions. The anti-Modi, anti-Hindu campaign of CNN-IBN is really a statement that secularism is a fiction in India. Just by claiming to be secular, these people expect to get away with the most profane language and inciting minorities into violence.
RE:Media is not secular
by Pradip Parekh on Dec 06, 2007 02:19 AM Permalink
my thoughts exactly. dhruba ji right on money. the anti-hindu media are desperate to play gotcha game on modi and bjp. as long as voting is fair, modi will not only win, but win big. however, there is a very strong probability, not just possibility, that western techonologists are feverishly working to perpetrate fruads on election computer system in favor of congress. i fear the very worst because congress is on the brink of annihilation after gujarat and they will not go away quietly.
Humanity is bigger than religion. Who do not have self-respect, how they respect INDIA (Matri Bhumi). Every INDIAN struggling for happy & easy life and it is possible to get in a good democratic environment, not in Communal & poisonous environment.
A cruel person like N.Modi, who involved to kill number of Muslims in Gujarat. A religiouse good HINDU will never kill any human on the name of Muslim, Christian, Bhudhist, Sikh & others. Narendra Modi spoil Gujarati image globally.
Sorry! N.Modi political career has over. He is really sham for us. Jai Hind......Jai Hind......Jai Hind.....
RE:N.Modi supporters are shame for Indian.
by samudra blr on Dec 05, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBELM IS THAT THE INDIAN JUDICIARY IS BECOME A JOKE. SO MANY CONSPIRATORS IN MUMBAI BLASTS ARE PARTYING IN OTHER COUNTRIES. CAN OUR JUDICIARY BRING BACK THOSE CRIMINALS?
I DONT BELIEVE IN JUDICIARY, JUDICIARY IS ALSO RUINING INDIAN FAMILIES.SO MANY INNOCIENT HUSBANDS ARE HARASSED BY THEIR WIVES UNDER FALSE DOWRY CASES(IPC SECTION 498A). THE JUDICIARY KNOWS THIS BUT IT STILL WATCHES THE FUN.
IN THE FAMILY LAWS JUDICIARY IS MAKING THE INNOCIENT HUSBANDS TO SUFFER FROM THEIR TRECHEROUS WIVES.
WOMEN ORGANIZATIONS ARE RUINING OUR FAMILIES WHICH ARE THE BASIC UNITS OF SOCIETY.
RE:N.Modi supporters are shame for Indian.
by nik hil on Dec 05, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
modi atleast did something...insteadt of fools like ankit shouting here...go get a life jai hind jai hindustan jai modi
RE:MODI is like PROPHET MUHAMMAD
by maha maya on Dec 06, 2007 02:35 AM Permalink
please do not insult n modi by comparing him to bandit, rapist, kidnapper,looter and criminal moohaammmedd.
I FOUND A SOLUTION TO THE RELIGIOUS PROBLEM IN INDIA.... LET ALL OUR MUSLIM BROTHER/SISTERS AND CHRISTIAN BROTHERS/SISTERS CONVERT TO HINDU RELIGION. THERE SHOULD BE NO FORCE BUT EVERYONE SHOULD VOLUNTEER TO CONVERT BY THEMSELVES.
HINDUISM HAS A STRONG FOUNDATION.WHEN GALILEO DISCOVERED THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH IT WAS ALMOST 16TH CENTURY. BUT HINDUS KNEW THE 9 PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM MUCH BEFORE THAT.
DEAR MUSLIM AND CHRISITIAN BROTHERS /SISTERS I INVITE YOU TO JOIN A MUCH BROAD MINDED HINDUISM WHICH IS WELCOME TO EVERYONE OF YOU.I BLESS YOU WITH PROSPERITY. YOU NEED NOT CHANGE ANY OF YOUR CUSTOMS,YOU WILL STILL BE A HINDU.
RE:IT IS TIME TO RETHINK ABOUT RELIGION IN INDIA
by poorguy richheart on Dec 05, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
SCIENTIF DISCOVERIES WERE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO NEVER BELIEVED IN CHRIST. YOU CAN GO AND CHECK......90% OF ALL INVENTIONS IN THIS WORLD WERE DONE BY RELIGIOUS NEUTRAL PEOPLE.
RE:IT IS TIME TO RETHINK ABOUT RELIGION IN INDIA
by ashok y on Dec 06, 2007 08:14 AM Permalink
If they convert, will u keep them in upper cast or OBC or SC/ST? Castism is the one n only cause.... for having christians n many muslims in our country...... rectifie flaws .... then
we hindus have suffered right from mughal era to british invasion and then muslim betrayal during british rule, resulting in division of our own land.. and if that wasnt enough, innocent hindus were targetted in kashmir and forced to live as refugees in their own country and own land.. and even before gujrat,there was an incident happening in godhra where innocent hindus were targetted by muslim mob.. there was a time where hindus had to retaliate.. i know killing of innocent people (hindus or muslims or any human of any religion) is wrong, but what happened was a reaction to an action.
teesta setalvad,shabana aazmi, javed akhtar and my fav sonia ji, do u have guts to honestly disagree with me?
RE:muslim attrocities
by Mathew Mathews on Dec 05, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
I do disagree. I agree with you that innocents shouldnt be killed in cold blood. Every human being has the right to a trial. I also think the trials shuld be faster rather than being dragged on for years on flimsy reasons. India has 5000 years of culture and civilization. WHat you have stated that Hindus be subjugated by muslims are a part of history when there was no democarcy. Now that we are, we should be thinking of unity not believing in retribution for atrocities by decadent kings. It was not just the muslim rulers, there were hindu rulers who did more atrocities. Thats the past. Think like a indian for a change and lets move forward.
RE:muslim attrocities
by rahul avasthi on Dec 05, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
so mr matthew, you mean to say that time when hindus were thrown out of their homes in kashmir was also when there was no democracy.. the time during godhra incidence, were we without democracy?
yes, we need to live unitedly and move forward.. but you have to get rid of your pseudo secularism too.. it may be tough for you to accept your own shortcomings.. but let me remind you, i am also an indian who want to see my country progressing.. but pseudo secularists like you are taking it backwards.. you have to be a true secular to help country move forward.. but it seems that yr from a group for whom talking abt hindu rights is non secular, but when PM says that minorities should be given reservations, then he is secular? wah wah wah.. !!
RE:muslim attrocities
by on Dec 05, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Mr. Mathew - Hindu converted Christian, Why don't you teach your lessons to your dear Muslim brothers to stop hate against Hindus? They don't even wink before killing innocent Hindus (I have seen that in Ahmedabad several times in past). You can write nice replies but please go to some Muslim areas in Ahmedabad and then write something on brotherhood and everything else. If you go to some of their areas in Ahmedabad, they would kill you if you talk anything against them (that's how intolerant these people are). Good advice on paper but reality on ground is so different.
RE:muslim attrocities
by indriyo on Dec 05, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
You make a point - but you are absolutely wrong in saying that Gujarat riots were a reaction to Godhra. I totally accept that terrorist activities have to be dealt with cold hands, but more importantly we need to gauge the support of minorities (and moderates). If thats not true, see the never-ending situation in Kashmir, Israel, Lebanon and Iraq (atleast Kashmir is improving among the lot). Military alone is not a solution for terrorism. As for your "reaction" point, why do you think such a barbaric reaction is justified in India? There are no cases of rape and murder of Muslims in the streets of New York after 9/11 or in London after 7/7 or in Madrid. India is as democratic and dignified as any of these countries. There is no way you can justify fundamentalism and violence whether it is the case of terrorism or riots. Such violent actions on minorities undermine our very roots of secularism and pluralism and destabilize peaceful democracy. Those riot gangsters have to be treated in the same way as the fanatics who were involved in the Godhra Train incident. We moderates only have to think that innocent Indians have been murdered in both incidents and not discriminate the victims as Muslims and Hindus.
RE:RE:muslim attrocities
by rahul avasthi on Dec 05, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
well mr indriyo, see what US did after attack on its country.. it attacked a country and killed thousands of innocents (most of which must be muslims).. and you say that there was no case of murder of muslims? even the sikhs were attacked in US because of their turban resembling to what osama laden wears.. get yr facts corrected.. there is a reaction to every action.. and thats "reaction" i was talking of. and mind you, i am not justifying what happened as a reaction.. i was just referring to who initiated this.
RE:muslim attrocities
by indriyo on Dec 05, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Mr. rahul, I am sorry . US didnt attack Afganistan because it is a Muslim country. It is only because Talibans refused to handover the 9/11 perpetrators. Muslims murdered in Gujarat had absolutely nothing to do with Godhra. Take the case of Guantanamo HR violations. US Army has seriously punished all the soldiers involved in it. Now do you think Gujarat rioters have to be severely punished?
BTW, as for your Sikh attacks, they werent attacked. There was serious cases of discrimination in Airports, Visa counters, etc, which I agree is bad. But it is worlds apart from intentionally burning and raping women and children.
RE:muslim attrocities
by rahul avasthi on Dec 05, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
sorry indriyo, your wrong again with your facts. do you think the aircrafts which were sent in afghanistan killed only terrorists? no, there were innocent people killed too.. and the numbers are much more than the innocents killed in gujarat.. i condemn severely on what happened in gujarat after godhra, but to be honest to myself, i would condemn that incident only after i condemn what happed with innocent people in godhra who were travelling in train.. and i cant understand why you are trying to defend US though? read newspapers, you will find news about sikhs being attacked by US residents a few days after 9/11 due to mistaken idendity.
RE:muslim attrocities
by indriyo on Dec 05, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
ok my last attempt - I am not a defender of US foreign policies and I think that US is very biased againt Middle-East. I agree that US Military killed lot of civilians in Afganisthan and Iraq. My point is, they never killed Muslims living inside US. Same case as in London, although 7/7 bombers were UK citizens, they didnt rampage Muslim homes in Coventry. There were some discriminations and I have said they are very shameful - but noone set homes on fire or plan to murder their own citizens based on religion. You cannot argue that US military actions (as bad as they are) in Middle-East can be compared to Gujarat riots.
Since you talk a lot about facts - lets see the facts. Take a look at the "Final Solution" and see the statement of victims of the Train incident. Many of them had their Muslim neighbours attend the funeral of the victims. See the cases of Muslim victims - almost all of them said they dont carry any personal grudge against Hindus as a whole. It is very clear that certain fringe fundamentalist groups used this grotesque train incident as an opportunity to plunder minorities. No one who is civilized (incl victims on both sides) and has any decency will carry out such attacks.
I leave it here and let you conclude whatever perceptions you may intend. My conclusion is, I severely condemn both attacks on equal level and wish both the perpetrators to be punished severely, because I think innocent human lives whether it is Hindu or Muslim are equal as our moralities
Sohrabuddin was not a monk to feel sorry about. He had a criminal background.Why is Sonia supporting a criminal? The Mumbai criminals grew up very well during the congress tenure since independence. They distructed India and fled India. It is believed that congress has indirectly supported them.
Why is Sonia crying for Sohrabudding who happens to be a criminal? So many innocients were killed by terrorist activites in our country.Who will cry for them?
RE:Sohrabuddin was a criminal
by samudra blr on Dec 05, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBELM IS THAT THE INDIAN JUDICIARY IS BECOME A JOKE. SO MANY CONSPIRATORS IN MUMBAI BLASTS ARE PARTYING IN OTHER COUNTRIES. CAN OUR JUDICIARY BRING BACK THOSE CRIMINALS?
I DONT BELIEVE IN JUDICIARY, JUDICIARY IS ALSO RUINING INDIAN FAMILIES.SO MANY INNOCIENT HUSBANDS ARE HARASSED BY THEIR WIVES UNDER FALSE DOWRY CASES(IPC SECTION 498A). THE JUDICIARY KNOWS THIS BUT IT STILL WATCHES THE FUN.
IN THE FAMILY LAWS JUDICIARY IS MAKING THE INNOCIENT HUSBANDS TO SUFFER FROM THEIR TRECHEROUS WIVES.
WOMEN ORGANIZATIONS ARE RUINING OUR FAMILIES WHICH ARE THE BASIC UNITS OF SOCIETY.
RE:RE:Sohrabuddin was a criminal
by Mathew Mathews on Dec 05, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
Sohrabuddin was not a monk. He as every other person here is entitiled to a trial by court. The very people who are supposed to defend and uphold law? They took money to kil. Then you wouldnt mind if they kill for any small offence? Any society that dont follow a just civil coduct is doomed. Dont justify any illigal act. You will be as bad as them.
RE:Sohrabuddin was a criminal
by poorguy richheart on Dec 05, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
WHAT DO YOU GET BY PROSECUTING......INDIAN JUDICIARY IS BECOME A JOKE. SO MANY CONSPIRATORS IN MUMBAI BLASTS ARE PARTYING IN OTHER COUNTRIES. CAN OUR JUDICIARY BRING BACK THOSE CRIMINALS?
I DONT BELIEVE IN JUDICIARY, JUDICIARY IS ALSO RUINING INDIAN FAMILIES.SO MANY INNOCIENT HUSBANDS ARE HARASSED BY THEIR WIVES UNDER FALSE DOWRY CASES. THE JUDICIARY KNOWS THIS BUT IT STILL WATCHES THE FUN.
RE:Sohrabuddin was a criminal
by ajesh chawla on Dec 05, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
BUT MODI too can not be our IDEAL. HE is also step brother of Soharabuddin. We can not accept MODI as True HINDU. HE has lowered Hinduism in GUJRAT.
RE:Sohrabuddin was a criminal
by rahul avasthi on Dec 05, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
i agree with u on your last point. we need to have sympathy with those who were innocent targets of terrorists. but for sohrabuddin, if he was innocent, then we need to sympathize for him too. i condemn killing of innocents who ever they are, where ever they are.
RE:Sohrabuddin was a criminal
by indriyo on Dec 05, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
I would even go a little forward and suggest that even criminals should be charged and punished in a legal way and not by such illegal encounters. You may think now that if Sohrabuddin is a gangster (I think he is one), his encounter is justified. But if you give such a power to a particular person to go against the constitution, it wouldnt be too long before they start executing anyone who is dissenting them. So, in the long-term it not justified that we need a fake encounter to execute gangsters. Even if it is a serious situation, Police have every power to undertake shooting actions with proper permission from Judiciary or quick responses under critical situations. There is absolutely no reason to carry out such fake and illegal encounters. It is evident such actions are only to hide the facts.
Please do not join the band of MODI a distorted Hindu. Otherwise the belief over HINDUISM shall whither away if the Sadus like you go low with politically distorted MODI claiming as HINDU.
You say that kaaba is purely for directional purposes and is not a religious monument/symbol. then please expalin the following verses from hadiths.
Hadith Sahih Volume 2, Book 26, Number 750
The Prophet performed Tawaf of the Kaaba on his arrival (at Mecca); he touched the (Black Stone) corner first of all and then did Ramal (fast walking with moving of the shoulders) during the first three rounds round the Kaaba, and during the last four rounds he walked .
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 671: Narrated Ibn Abbas:
When Allahs Apostle came to Mecca, he refused to enter the Kaaba with idols in it. He ordered (idols to be taken out). So they were taken out. The people took out the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael holding Azlams in their hands. Allahs Apostle said, "May Allah curse these people. By Allah, both Abraham and Ishmael never did the game of chance with Azlams." Then he entered the Kaaba and said Takbir at its corners.
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 673: Narrated Salim that his father said:
I saw Allahs Apostle arriving at Mecca; he kissed the Black Stone Corner first while doing Tawaf and did ramal in the first three rounds of the seven rounds (of Tawaf).
The above verses prove that the kaaba is much more than a directional sign post.
