May I request Rediff to get the interview of great sociologist (if he is alive) Srinivasan, Andre Betellie as well.
I think, while discussing the OBC issue, pro-reservationists are circulating the issues faced by SC/STs. OBC & SC/ST are NOT same. Neither they suffered from same disabilities. But they are unable to see that.
I feel that the present system education, based on the British system of imparting classroom instructions,and rewarding scholastic merit is inherently biased against the SC/ST and the Dalits.Making reservations and enhancing quotas has not and will not benefit the Dalits in any way. These days it has become fashionable to "liberate" the temples from the clutches of the Brahmin priests and kind of throw open these opportunities to the Dalits.But are they " educated" for doing priestly duties and do they accept this profession willingly. When most Brahmins themselves do not wish to pursue this line what is the use of making reservations in this profession save seeking political mileage. More than the book oriented education the disadvantaged sections need a kind of education which will enhance employment that they can do better, faster, and bigger. It is man's imagination alone which creates new opportunity and the early adapters will always get the benefit. The tail enders or late adapters will not benefit from any reservation howsoever attractive it may seem.
I appreciate the writers views on reservations. He has given us a very good overview of reservations and how it was first brought in by the British. BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND ONE THING,WHY ISNT ANYONE WRITING ABOUT CASTEISM.There is widespread discrimination even after 59years of independance.Why arent people protesting about casteism?Indians complain about racism when they travel abroad why for that matter even in cricket people talk about racism when an indian player was penalised and a player from the opposite team was let off only with a reprimind for the same offence.This really hurts all the indians.Reservations are wrong but dont you think castesim is even more worse just like raceism.Dalits are not even allowed to draw water from common wells in villages,hold on its just not restricted to rural areas it is very much practised in cities too,the biggest example is house not being ented out to a lower caste family by the upper castes.Shame on us indians.We need to first abolish castism and reservations will vanish automatically.Organisations like y4e can and should work towards abolishing casteism.Its no use blaming the greedy politician who easily divides us for his votes.
RE:Reservations and caste divide
by mahesh on Jun 18, 2006 06:52 PM Permalink
I fully agree with Bharat's comments. New resrevation is an attempt to undo bad effect of casteism(old name for reservation based on birth) in Hindu society.If there had no casteism no reservation would have required for caste sufferers.
Despite all these reservation policies, if there is a beleif still that Dalits have not benefited, let them not get that benefit.
Infact, the forward community is the one that needs reservation now. They score 95 - 97 % in the exams and still they dont get medical or engineering seats because of the other communities.
The other communities, SC, ST, OBC or Dalits, get seat even if they score 50% or 60% or probably even less than that. How do you expect quality if seats are lavishly alloted to these people? If they take atleast 80 or 85% and the seats are alloted it is absolutely fine. But it is not done in that way.
Actually these communities, they take the share of Forward Communities too in the general quota. Which is something to be avoided. If the Govt. have a quota for the other communities, they shouldnt participate in General quota.
This demotivates and demoralises the forward communities and that is the precise reason why they try to get a job overseas and settle there and doesnt like to come back to our country.
We dont actually encourage who perform well in exams..instead we bring reservation and uplift those who donot deserve.
If Dalits are not benefitted by reservation, then who else is benefitted by reservation? The answer is 'the upper caste (general category)'. How? Because of the ugly reservation, they did not get jobs in India and so moved abroad and now they are living the unexpected comfortable life.
Tamilnadu, has brought most of its population in reservation bracket. ALL castes, EXCEPT brahmins are in the reservation list. Somehow the ruling party here has developed an aversion to brahmin community. They do not leave any chance to spread their hatred towards brahmins. It is sad they make the whole TN population like that. In tamilnadu, the reservation is used more as a tool to deprive brahmins of every opportunity, than as a tool to improve other communities.
RE:reservation more as a tool to oppress
by kp chandra on Jun 20, 2006 12:36 AM Permalink
hi prashant, dont be disheartened by vicious "merrit".dupes., my message to ALL OBC AND DALITS reservations are your bithright given by the constitution of india no one can take them away form you.no need to feel guilty protct them with your life for your future generations. we now know how viciously ,the caste hindus hate the dalit and obc. do not trust them ,you noW know what they think of you.they cant see educated dalits.they hate you,reply hate with hate. you are better off trusting the muslims and the whites. if the dalit ,obc and muslim can get together,they can then rule india, then what will happen to the merrits. ONE EDUCATED DALIT CAN HELP A HUNDRED IN THEIR COMMUNITY TO COME UP, the merits know this ,they dont want any more to come up .as they know in a few years they will no longer be able to compete. so they want to stop you ,by hook or crook. do the same to come up. ch azad
Your subject says Dalit have not benifited. But when I read this column I didnt find anywhere that relates to your subject. Second, I myself is an expample( not sure good or bad) of a person helped by reservation. I completed my Diploma in Mechanical engineering, B.E in Mechanican Engineering, M.Tech from IITB in Design Engineering and currently working in Michigan US for a fortune 500 Automotive company. If requreid I can present you hundered more expamples like me.
Yes, I agree that Dr. Ambedkar had reserved seats for 10 years. But how could you possible eradict a social worm called caste if there is no mechanism to implement the constitution in right manner. Why people still need reservation becuase the ruling class is still unfair in implementing the constitution which was written 50 years back.
I wish Dr. Ambedkar hadnt left us in 56. If he was alive even 10 more years, we would have seen different India. A buddhist India without any classes and castes.
RE:Dalits have not benifited.
by amit on Jun 15, 2006 12:43 AM Permalink
are you mentally retarded, why do you need reservation, are you not able to compete with people in general class, there is no law that says, if you are from backward class you cannot get admission, since all 100 percent seats are reserved for higher caste. if you are good enough to compete you dont need reservation, the fact that you used reservation to get admission shows you are incompetent , unable to get admission on our own, working in fortune 500 company makes no difference, if you cannot understand what i wrote
i agree on your point that there are many examples of people who have been helped by the reservation system. one of them before us is you. before i put forward my opinion, let me first clarify that i m not against reservation per se. it is the way the reservation is being treated in India which causes me a great deal of pain. now that u r doing great means that ur childern dont need any special treatment for them to be given equal oppertunity. but the policy in India cant stop u from availing reservation. If the doctors r fighting against this, what wrong r they doing?
i will tell u a real life account of two students who did all their schooling together. 'A' was the topper of the class who used to get depressed if he got less than 90%. and 'B' was just average student. both their fathers worked in same govt. organisation and on similar posts. they appeared in screening for IIT together. 'A' was unable to get through. but 'B', inspite of having got lesser score than 'A' got through because he belonged to a "socially backward class". my question is that how can two people with same background be treated differently.
RE:Dalits have not benifited.
by gca on Jun 15, 2006 11:26 AM Permalink
many wellwishers of india are dreaming, majority of indians-open minded,not to differentiate people according to their caste and religion.but it takes infinite time to see such a change in our country!!!!!
RE:Dalits have not benifited.
by sachin panemangalore on Jun 15, 2006 12:23 PM Permalink
Sir, You said you have completed MS from an american university, did they have reservation over there for you? Isnt it unfair, that even though you are intelligent and able, you still want reservation? Its pathetic, you call yourself buddhist and backward caste in the same breath, I havent seen anywhere in the Dhamapada a mention of caste?
The problem is not confined to religion, the caste system is a social evil.
Instead of removing cast-system from the system and your psyche, you are being pulled into the same rut. The problem of caste system might be rampant in the rural north- lack of education being the primary and only reason, I dont think however we have the same problem in the urban places. Being born and bought up in Mumbai, the edges in language , colour , race , caste were never there in my psyche, its only when , during college admissions people from my school (wearing the same uniform as me till all this years) stand in a different line, that is when the difference comes to sight. somwhere down the line I think...we need to grow up a bit.
RE:Dalits have not benifited.
by Kaushik Das on Jun 14, 2006 10:31 PM Permalink
And what about the more qualified person whose seat you took? If you took reservations at every nook and corner, not only is the blood of so many people you replaced on your head but also you have slapped the professors who taught you. In spite of their teaching, you had to take reservations again. Shame on you.
RE:Dalits have not benifited.
by mahesh on Jun 18, 2006 06:39 PM Permalink
This ref to the reply send by Kaushik das. Mr. intelligent before talkng of meritocracy first find yourself answer to the following Qs. What is the criterion when getting married( it is caste not merit). If somebody go against the caste system what happens( ceratainly they are killed by so called merit hypocrats)Go and see this happening in western UP. What is basis of management qouta( certainly money not merit) What is criterion for riding morning BUS to city.( certainly not the merit) Go and see in Bihar. What is criterion for appointing a pundit to village temple(for uper caste).Certainly not merit.It is caste.
What is basis of reservation in AIIMS pg courses( certainly not merit). When you need to perform
RE:Dalits have not benifited.
by Satyanand on Jun 15, 2006 12:36 AM Permalink
Reply to last comment:
How can you call India as BUDDHIST INDIA...INDIA is Just India its neither Buddhist, not muslims nor Hindu. Every one are equal and no one has right to say that India belongs only to them and no one else. If you don't have respect don't open your mouth.
Politicians ae benefitting from Quota. Who else should benefit in this country? Why should the politicians with their entire family involve themselves in theBUSINESS of Politics ,if somebody else were to benefit?
