most of IIT grads and grads from other engineering institutes end up in financial or management carrer, by doing MBA. They don't seem to have the passion for technology and research. They can just say that "India will hold the key to success" but who is going to work for it ?
DRDO and ISRO are facing a dearth for engineers and professionals.
IIT grads are returning since they have lost their credibility due to the quota system implemented back home :)
Eventually not only you will see the returning of all IIT and IIM grads from abroad , also you will see them begging for a job in India. That day is not too far.
nri iitians are pretenders. when india was suffering, they simply left the country for greener pastuers. they are returning now ,because the america economy is slowing down. it is of certain that they will further book the one way ticket when indian economy faces any odd obstacles. we are proud of those iitians like dr.banerjee (barc director),Dr muthuraman (tata steel cmd) who remained in india after graduating from iit and realy helped the country. i shall put it this way,"those nri iitians are like american wife,nobody knows when they will leave the husband". i donot know how these iitians justify their carrier with finance after passing out with a core branch engineering. we must remember that our country has developed in the absence of these people.
If your IT is so much of strength then why cant you have Microsoft and Apple of your own. Forget you dont even have a hardware manufacturing unit of global standard. You are limited by borrowed thoughts and principle of secondary service. Do we front end any IT after a decade of existence Dubai has transformed itself, China, Malaysia, Taiwan has morphed in multiples, you dont have to look too far. Do you realise that all this millions of youth - your genX will grow old in 50 years time and if you have not built India in next twenty where are you going to hide the old and the burdensome. The infrastructure is poor. Defence is begged or borrowed. Social security - whats that! Polity is a corrupt mass. Common man incapable of cohesive action. Leaders divisive. Cricket and cheer leaders is the only focus of attention. Culture is denegerating. Majority is reserved by minority appeasement. Some of the most things are totally misplaced. The best of Indians are leading the Fortune 500 world but if so much of population cant throw up that much then the demographic strength is impotent. Where are you on the sports front. Where are your leads on the Global Trade and Global leadership. Get though the fixations of your mind. Theres a bigger world out there and theres much to do before you blow the trumpets of any acheivement on any discernible scale.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by Shaan on May 15, 2008 10:44 AM
It doesnt matter a person is narrow and broad minded, Innovation needs a skeptical mind. For the gentle(mental)pessimist man who commented about us may not know about India...
The present Diversified technology, or innovative companies were set up long back when India was either struggling to get independence after we were literally looted from our drulers. Do not forget history that pearls and diamonds were sold in the foot path, we were invaded and ruled by out siders and divided into bits and pieces when asked for freedom. The result is very well known, India, Pak and Bangladesh.......terrorism.... We were by our selves even when IT was not there, I agree It has revolutioned all our lives but its not by a person, company or a country, its by all irrespective of caste, religion or nationality, we have enough talent here to manage India... JAI HIND.....
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by swati on May 15, 2008 10:25 AM
Get the facts right. India is one of the very few countries that manufacture Supercomputers.
The only problem why we don't have a brand as big as IBM/Apple, is because Indians hate taking risks. They want to do what is safe. One day, this will change.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by on May 15, 2008 10:49 AM
To add to Swati's point, I think even the risk-taking aversion is changing quite a bit. Case in point is the Corrus, Landrover-Jaguar acquisitions from even the conventionally-safe Tatas. Other industry heavyweights - Infy, Ambanis, TCS are routinely making sound (maybe unglamorous) acquisitions globally. FYI, SQM, these are international brands we are talking about. Don't let ur Indophobia blur that. But I do agree with your comments that not everything is rosy and media (read rediff) can stop with the trumpet-blowing a bit. But you have to understand that for some people it is more challenging to bake the cake than to eat it. US is all set, but there is bigger window of opportunity in India to make an impact. Now don't be lame and give Sabeer bhatia-type example. For every over-night millionaire, I can quote hundred 9-5ers :)
RE:RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:56 AM
Every fifth guy is an Indian! Is every fourth best person/company/brand/product/thing/leader Indian!
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by Mona Shah on May 15, 2008 10:41 AM
Hi swati. Hw r u? This is Mona. Gd to find a female on the board. Where r u from?
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by anil kulkarni on May 15, 2008 10:48 AM
A pessimist to the core you appaear to have forgotten about such pillars of Indian economy as Tatas, Birlas, Reliance, Infosys, Wipro who have demostrated that progress is possible only by participation of masses!!!! Have you tried to get involved in issues to bring about any change at all in anything?
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:51 AM
hey Anil, what are you doing! Com'on a handful as started it ... do you think thats reflects in what you have put up as your reply.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by Prashant S Kulkarni on May 15, 2008 10:40 AM
Hi SQM,
The only Problem with india is people like you who just sit and comment. Yes most of the fact you gave are nearer to reality but not true facts. If some one takes initiative then within no time we can be superpowers. Though people are ready to take initiatives provided people like you (leg pullers) leave them to work.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:45 AM
Agree totally ... the matter is one of collective mass of Indians and not just you an me. One or two standing up make flag posts but we meed a pin stand that makes a globe.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:38 AM
Inst this misplaced intellect - counting your chickens before they are hatched. Look what it is today and where are you heading. Al holes do the same thing thorw out diggested as well as indigested material. Your indeigestion is apparent.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by SATISH KANDPAL on May 15, 2008 10:50 AM
I have strongest opposition to your calling the old 'burdensome'. This speaks volumes about your upbringing where the elders are treated like junks after having been sucked of their valuable savings and life from a crap like you. To me this smacks of your westernised theater i.e. your home. I don't want to comment on rest of your comment as the same is also as much yuckkkk as you are.
RE:RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:53 AM
If you dont move today for what you are young ... let us be sure you will along with millions willbe burdensome. Look and understand! Dont react, thats being burdensome.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by samarame on May 15, 2008 10:26 AM
Wonderful example of pessimist.This comment should be reserved for philosophy classes
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:33 AM
If pessimism is looking beyond your nose then you are right- you cant when you are looking the world with a squint.
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by samarame on May 15, 2008 10:38 AM
your whole comment is reserved for negative points in India.Negatives and positives exist in every country.It depends on the person how he takes and you fitted exactly into the pessimist block,congrats
RE:Misplaced Intellectual Transfiguaration
by sqm on May 15, 2008 10:41 AM
Cant argue on that much negativism for they rarely make any positives. So lets take something ahead by saying you are looking down at the barrel of a loaded gun and yet wondering wheres the looking glass.
unless you are an IIM/IIT grad. it is not worth staying back in India. Me for instance, work for one of the Top indian IT co's, making peanuts in India, if were to jump in the US would make much more money. My savings here, even with the current IT giant is equivalent to Rs. 60000. Tell me, how many people in Indian IT SAVE that much, or even earn that much...
It is all stupidly hyped that India will soon be a superpower. Look at these politician idiots who use the system so badly just to make their generations live a comfortable lives....
India is not yet a country that is a heaven for professionals.....bakwaas stories all...
RE:No sense staying in India
by swati on May 15, 2008 10:27 AM
It is up to us Indians to make it a heaven. Everyone wants to work for Infosys, HUL, Tata....how many of us have ever plan that we would make a company that big.
RE:No sense staying in India
by Reshma Prasad on May 15, 2008 10:40 AM
Well, India is not still the super power. The big problems are : Reservations at job place and corruption and horrible governance.
After serving for a well known public sector for 10 years, I realized that people with lesser qualifications (than me) and with lesser experience are getting promotions. These are not based on merit but based on the reservations and quotas. In my own organization, I was made 'junior' to my 'juniors'. It is not just me, many employees under 'merit' category remained where they are and juniors from 'reserved category' became the bosses. Why I have to serve India? So I left, and realized that there is a place for recognition, respect and of course the MONEY.
Corruption is well known in India. It is omni present.
Horrible governance: Our politicians want to divide people to castes, sub-castes. They champion populist politics. They do not know anything except the 'composition' of vote bank. Our foreign policies, EXIM policies, Agricultural and Industrial sectors have been spoiled and degraded over the years. The present growth (and also hype) is due to privatization. Our private sector has contributed mainly into this.
So, the world is out there - open to the able, stronger and positive outlookers. Just Enjoy, if you are talented. India looks much smaller then!!
RE:No sense staying in India
by srinivas roopi on May 15, 2008 10:36 AM
Paras, your anguish is not without basis, but life's not just earning and saving money you see. You are cursing politicians for amassing wealth for their generations, but what you are doing by saving some money is just the same in a smaller way. Leaving these issues aside, we must appreciate the life that exists in India in its truest form. You can't get this satisfaction - of seeing your society evolve and getting immersed with it with all its negative and positive aspects - when you live in the US or any other developed country in the world. Even people in India are getting 3-5 lakh per month packages; the situation is not that bleak and we can proudly claim that India is becoming a super power, at least in 5-10 years. Indians as voters are becoming highly matured and the stupid politicians will be weeded out of the system very soon. Let's wish India all the best and our brethren who are returning to their janmabhoomi.
I do not believe this is true. Still numbers of grads going to US is much more than people returning back. Both number has increased propertionately and this article is only looking on one number and also those who somehow were not able to make it are scolding others (mainly IITans) as a opporutunists. Everybody is opporutunists in some regard here. please see yourself in mirror before comments on anyone
No governance, no effective police force , where "might is right" , people still live with beliefs of medieval ages - and research "phd" is a big waste of public funds with no worthy output. Still 200 years of catching up to do - a very long way to go. Our intelligence agencies are the biggest joke in the world - its the US / israle intelligence that provides information since they currently share a common cause with us.
RE:dudes life in India really sucks!!! good for visiting
by joe v on May 15, 2008 10:29 AM
the US intellegence just found that there were weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq. Its a great Intellegence!
I am a recent grad from IIT Delhi, now studying in the US. It have seen many of my friends stay back and seniors return to India for work. However, it is true that the ones who stayed for tech jobs stayed more for their familial attachments than for lucrative careers. And the ones who made it a career decision were all employed in banking/IB/consulting. The current economic boom is a result of these service based jobs that MAINLY cater to foreign clients, based in North America, Europe or Japan. Hence, our economy is bound to suffer if theirs do. If we want to sustain this phenomenal progress we should also focus on developing the manufacturing, and industrial sector and invest more in research and infrastructure. In absence of these core economic drivers, our growth will stay tied to the so-called developed economies. Also, for those who said that IITians are opportunists, tell us who is NOT? It is only natural to work where you can work best. Money ofcourse comes along, but most IITians look for challenges and growth in their careers, which is still absent in the Indian industrial sector.
RE:True but short lived
by nishantbret on May 15, 2008 10:30 AM
I know what you are hoping for that some iitian reads your post and proposes you and you get married. Its all about money, honey! accept the facts. you want money, iitians want money and even i want money. wherevr we get whetehr india or us doesnt matter..wat matters is: money!!!
RE:True but short lived
by itsrenu on May 15, 2008 10:35 AM
I dont care if any iitian has to propose r marry me...n it shows ur intellectual ability if u think sumone will propose reading a message..i have an engineering degree and a phd degree and i do research as a full time job..everyone knows how much research job pays..i cud hav easily taken a lucrative job after my engg if money was my only goal...if money is all wat matters to u then excuse me...
RE:True but short lived
by swati on May 15, 2008 10:23 AM
We are not saying IITians/IIM grads are opportunists. It is general feeling against most NRIs. They enjoy subsidised education and serve US. WHY? Why should they waste Indian tax payers money, when ultimately they want to serve US/UK??
RE:RE:True but short lived
by manjunath on May 15, 2008 10:39 AM
does anyone say he pay tax to indian government while working in UK n USA? then why towaste indian tax payers money? then what they have done for their home country?
RE:True but short lived
by kumar kunal on May 15, 2008 10:28 AM
On an average, the Indian govt spends $400,000 on an IITian's education. Compare that to the amt spent on each politician, govt employees, or police for that matter. Now compare the expenditure vs. output of an IITian's education vs. everything else the Indian government subsidizes. Assuming 30% of IITians stay in India and they are richer than average, they overpay all these dues just by paying taxes, which 90% of Indians don't. Even if IITians don't all work in India, even the fraction of those who work pay back way more than any other class of citizens.
RE:True but short lived
by sehil on May 15, 2008 10:34 AM
but then swati to get into those institutions for subsidised education inspite of reservation and other hurdles makes a person bitter and selfish. he has to safeguard his interests first.
I have a bone to pick with the II crowd whether they are from IIT or IIM. Remain the US or whichever foreign country you were in. These guys come in and capture jobs from better and more able people who may have good degrees (just not IIT or IIM). These IIT, IIM guys get great jobs huge salaries at younger age for their degree. I know quite a few who arent really competent to do their jobs but these IIT and IIM have their old boys network and buddy system which help each other. Sad that till a while back the Public subsidised their education to help them go abroad and earn huge salaries and then take away jobs in India. Damn these IIT idiots. Do some real research and contribute to society instead.
