It is always good news that the pool of professionals in India is increasing. Everyone is entitled to work out the "push" factors in the place where they are currently residing, and the "pull" factors in the place they hope to go to for their future. The truth is there are problems in the USA, UK and India too. Not yet - there is no heaven on earth. I wish to say, 1) The 1970s view that in the USA and UK, life is a breeze, everything is "hunky dory" is no longer valid 2) Anglo-saxon societies have suffered a lapse from their earlier integrity and pride in high standards. Instead, money - lots of it - has become the one Universal value. Materialism just on its own, is like having kheer, more kheer and more of the same with every meal. Materialism needs to be seasoned with standards of personal integrity and service to others. 3) If the cultural void in the West is worrying Indian parents, India is not that far behind in creating a cultural void in the name of "secularism". Bollywood has nearly destroyed most Indian values. Indian schools teach no true history, no true Indian values and Indian Metros are slowly poisoning children with CO-2. Municipal government has broken down in many metros. In Chennai, you would think it is a constitutional right for Indian males to urinate wherever they want. If you think it may be an integral part of Tamil culture - it is. 4) You may also find that the Indian ego is much larger than the American and British. Watch out.
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by Kris iyer on May 16, 2008 02:43 PM
Continued: In every Indian office, you will run into some awkward, egotistical "dude". You need to learn to humour him/her, never lose your temper. If you find he or she has taken a dislike to you, for reasons completely beyond your comprehension, do not worry, because he/she also does not know why the dislike, except that you may be better looking, better qualified and probably from the wrong caste, as far as this person is concerned. Such are the idiocies of work-conditions in India. You get them abroad too, but would be of a lesser degree. All matters of degree, ultimately. 5) Having said that if you have the temperament that finds India's "rough and ready", "do first and analyse or plan later" atmosphere exhilarating - it can bring you enormous rewards. 6) Industrial houses in India are becoming international one by one. If you are in your 30s or 40s, you never know what you may achieve for your motherland, your next two generations. In other words, there is room in India for building industrial empires, but you need to know how to bribe, cajole and humour our politicians and babus. They are all more money-minded than anyone else you would have met in the USA or UK. 7) India offers stimulations that are now becoming rare in the West. It is a large market, still to be explored, to be developed. There is still much basic training that needs to be imparted to our young people. You will find and enjoy SUCCESS in India - of a type you will never find abroad.
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by Vir on May 17, 2008 04:35 AM
Kris- you have raised some great points.These qualities shown by many Indians(most of them highly educated) go back to the kind of people we basically are. These things are difficult to change in just a few years time but if we have to compete with people from all over the world on a level playing field then gradually our perspectives will have to change as well. Again, great insights.
Why IIT's and IIM's only, there is No shortage of new Talent and millionaires in India. Young millionaires from Reliance, TATA, Cognizant, Infy, Wipro, Satyam,HCL, HP,IBM, Tier-B Business schools MBA and Engineers Salaries matchs the US, $50-60k/yr for an average 10 year old experience programmer or Manager. Starting salaries for 22 year old IT programmer and MBAs even from tier-B business schools are in the 6-10 lakh rupee and go up by 20-40% a year after that. A sizable amount of Indian population 400 Million will be moving into the middle class. As more people gain access to education and get integrated into domestic demand/supply and country GDP.
Thanks to the Internet revolution for revealing reality of so-called cream (IIT) Indian brains. There is so much hype created by media about generalized supremacy of IIT/IIM but it is not true. Most of the pass outs from these institutions are highly opportunist and self-centered. They are %u201CBrown sahabs%u201D always seeking attention and importance like %u201CGora sahabs%u201D but without doing any significant contribution or hard physical work that is not appreciated in the developed countries like US/UK. These fellows are not givers but takers only. Always trying to snatch more and more even in their poor home country also.
Once, I was there in an IIT and saw the water sensors fitted in toilets while a number of engineering colleges in India don%u2019t have even enough books & study materials in the library. %u201CUske baad apna yeh media bakwas karta hai aur baaki engineers se tulna karta hai ki IIT cream hai aur baaki sab chach hai%u201D. Comparison at this stage is not justified. Provide similar facilities to other colleges and then compare. Stop praising these opportunists IITians .....jo ki na to apne desh ke huey na us desh ke jisne inhe khane ko diya. In fact, the Indian Technicians, Laborers, Drivers, Nurses and other such professionals at GULF and other countries deserves more praise than these so called cream IIT%u2019s fellows. The abovesaid class of people always feed India to their best (see the govt. financial statistics). On the other hand we should praise few examples viz. Narayan Mur
Thanks to the Internet revolution for revealing reality of so-called cream (IIT) Indian brains.
There is so much hype created by media about generalized supremacy of IIT/IIM but it is not true. Most of the pass outs from these institutions are highly opportunist and self-centered. They are %u201CBrown sahabs%u201D always seeking attention and importance like %u201CGora sahabs%u201D but without doing any significant contribution or hard physical work that is not appreciated in the developed countries like US/UK. These fellows are not givers but takers only. Always trying to snatch more and more even in their poor home country also.
Once, I was there in an IIT and saw the water sensors fitted in toilets while a number of engineering colleges in India don%u2019t have even enough books & study materials in the library.
%u201CUske baad apna yeh media bakwas karta hai aur baaki engineers se tulna karta hai ki IIT cream hai aur baaki sab chach hai%u201D.
Comparison at this stage is not justified. Provide similar facilities to other colleges and then compare. Stop praising these opportunists IITians .....jo ki na to apne desh ke huey na us desh ke jisne inhe khane ko diya.
In fact, the Indian Technicians, Laborers, Drivers, Nurses and other such professionals at GULF and other countries deserves more praise than these so called cream IIT%u2019s fellows. The abovesaid class of people always feed India to their best (see the govt. financial statistics).
RE:Indians... who really deserved to be praised
by on May 17, 2008 09:49 PM
Dudes..i dont understand one thing .....when tax payers money comes into picture why only IITs come into frame...arent there any other instituations which get money of tax payers....if u dont know them ...then i guess ur fool
By the Way i guess...u are not from IIT right...poor fellow... its once a life time oppourtinity dudes to clear JEE and enter into IIT...i guess most of them really miss it...hardluck...
IIT grads went for their personal profits/gains even though India had invested considerable amount of money and hope on them, they did not stay back in India. True, quality of life & opportunities were not avialable then. But wern't these people, with most brilliant minds (?), supposed to create atmosphere & opportunities for themselves and others too? When whole India looked at them, they left it to its fate. When people back here created opportunities, they are coming back to grab a share in it. I don't think they are a welcome lot. And I don't think they have done any proud to the nation. People back home have earned prosperity by sheer hard work. Of course, we have miles to go.. but India can do this without returning IIT grads.
RE:Why should returning IIT grads be welocome?
by Kondiparthy Rao on May 16, 2008 01:19 PM
These people will come when whenindia grew without them ,with their presence nothing will improve
RE:Why should returning IIT grads be welocome?
by on May 16, 2008 05:19 PM
yes very well said, thats true, when the country needed them most and invested heavily on their studies, they flew to US to cherish their personal dreams and ambitions. Now when those who stayed back here, strived hard to bring the country to this respectable level, these people want to return back to Enjoy the fruits and become the bosses.
The second reason for their returning is the massive reternchment drive going on in USA...which is making these Desh Bhakts come back..
UBS Bank is Retrenching 12000 Employees in US and Europe. Citigroup is Retrenching 15000 Employees in US and Europe. Philips is Retrenching 5000 Employees in Europe. Out of top Fortune 500 MNC's 50% are Retrenching their Employees.
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UBS Bank is Retrenching 12000 Employees in US and Europe. Citigroup is Retrenching 15000 Employees in US and Europe. Philips is Retrenching 5000 Employees in Europe. Out of top Fortune 500 MNC's 50% are Retrenching their Employees.
RE:Why all grads abroad are returning to India
by gopinathapai on May 16, 2008 06:48 AM
The mother who feed and nurse will never be equivalent to mother who gave birth.
Maybe the real truth is something like this - study from a subsidized "elite" college in india, ram this idea into everyone else's heads that they are inferior using the indian media as seen here (demoralize them before they enter the battelfield - but hey these days we see thru the tricks), take off to the West, freak out for a few years, however go for that arranged marriage in the end and after a few more years in the sun return to the motherland as a patriotic desi (yet employ servants at home for a pittance). Gandhi would be rolling over in his grave!
RE:why the hype and hypocrisy
by Madhusudhan N.R. on May 16, 2008 12:46 PM
Why this angst about employing people at home in India? I understand abroad you have all the means to do it and domestic help is prohibitively expensive. In India, it is different. This outlook is also very narrow, since every householder who earns well is able to provide employment to many under-privilieged who would anyway struggle otherwise. A well-to-do family will have a cook, one or two servants, a driver, a gardener if you live in a villa... translates to employment for 5 or 6 people. Also, who says they come cheap nowadays? Try to get a servant maid or a cook for your house and you'll know. Your comments smack of jealousy of the well-to-do who not only benefit themselves but also provide some kind of livelihood for few others. If you take a city like Bangalore in the last few years there are about 100,000 well to do IT employees, who in turn, if you take an average of two domestic helpers give employment to at least 200,000 poorer people... its great I say. Open your eyes to reality and drop the green shaded specs that you are wearing.
RE:why the hype and hypocrisy
by Roger Rabbit on May 16, 2008 10:08 PM
Maybe you are the one who should get a new pair of glasses. Employment to at least 200k poorer people looks good on paper just like the moon missions and other grand projects in the pipeline when basic facilities are not available. Trickle down economics is nonsense without fundamental labour rights. Expensive to hire a Rs 2000 per month household help in Bangalore? 2000 nothing is still nothing in today's India.
RE:why the hype and hypocrisy
by Dande Waala on May 16, 2008 11:21 AM
In 1960 there were IITs and in 2008 there are IITs and a whole lot private colleges churning out thousands of engineers every year. The US market has no dearth of engineers at this point of time and IITians don't get the same attention as they used to get during the sixties... hence the reverse brain drain.
Why does this article only refer to IIT grads. Are they the only good brains India looses out. How about the other bright students from other good schools in India. Jobs and money are no longer the relevant factors to consider when discussing this issue. I think a lot of it has to do with the quality of higher level education available in India v U.S. None of the Indian engineering schools come anywhere close to the quality of education and facilities for research in M.S and PhD degrees offered by US universities. Apart from this a lot of people are really fed up of a splendid nation like India being literally held hostage to progress by our current crop of politicians. The politicians, judiciary and bureaucrats have made climate unsuitable to earn and live an honest and respectable life without any corruption in India
Indians have very little patience and are too pessimistic. Just watch as infrastructure investment picks up including high speed rail network instead of highways like US. In fact India will be far better off adopting a European infrastructure model with high speed rail than the US cars and highway model. This will ease up some of the congestion.
RE:Mark my words...in ten years no one will want to leave India
by Sriram Bhagavatula on May 16, 2008 10:45 AM
I appreciate your idea, as we are thorium rich country, once we have these thorium based nuclear reactors, we should be able to survive the peaking oil problems. so let us prepare well ahead for super fast rail routes and maximum possible public transport systems with CLEAN (nuclear) energy. First and fore most is , we need to make sure that AMERICAN CHELA should not be Indian prime minister. Dr.Singh is at most a best-text book prime minister, with out practical and realistic vision for Indian political system, and always harboring for American interests as Indian interests. He screwed up the Foreign Policy and Energy Security (classic of voting against Iran screwing up with Russians on Military Hard-ware and unable to defend Chinese intrusion into Arunachal Pradesh). Any sensible and competent prime minister would work for alternative strategies, when the previous president mentioned us to focus on developing thorium grade nuclear reactors, I would question Dr.Singh to give an explanation on what initiatives he took in this direction, with regard to national energy sustenance, except demoralizing and penalizing Mr.Mani Shankar Ayyar for doing a good job on Indo-Iranian pipe line and Indo-china joint petroleum bidding (indirectly stopping the US based oil MNCs cartelization) and trying to reign the oil prices. It is high time we need a practical visionary politician ( may be Jaswant sing or Pranab mukherjee, this is purely muy guess) to be next PM, than having one more term
