It is easy to blame that the government is corrupt and what not..
Isn't we the public responsible for the system. Don't try for the easy way out. If the system is not working, DO REVOLUTION. TAKE OVER INDIA TO SORT OVER THE MESS.
But, I have faith in Indians. Because, we are just 60 years old. The Arabs, Eurpopeans and the British robbed us to our bones.
We are building our country with our sweat and brains... not with bullets and bombs like others around the world. It took more than 200 years, two world wars and best brains in the world for America to become what it is now. If we go by that calculation, we are on the track...Democracy is bit messy and sticky...
Atleast we can Write that 'Mr.Chidhambaram, your are this and your like that'. We got that freedom to say. IN CHINA, YOU WILL BE IN JAIL FOR MONTHS, GET BEATEN OR EVEN MURDERED BY THE RED ARMY.
So, I pray that my country gets better and better.. I will do whatever it takes to do that.
Proud to be Indian - That's what the sticker on back of may car says.
RE:WHY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING?
by Hebbar R on Mar 01, 2007 08:31 AM
Mr. Umashankar I feel you are a die hard fan of Mr. PC. There is nothing wrong with that. But, defending the FM for hurting large sections of society is not correct. There are certain issues that I can write here in reply to your comments. 1) May be the British looted us then. But, what stopped the Indian Govts in giving us a better deal and making India a great economic power? 2) Germany and Japan (just as exaples) were not more than ashes after the word war. Just see their economic positin today. This obviously did not happen by magic. 3) May be the British looted us then. But, now is there no looting going on? And who are the looters? 3) We are not in China so do not compare what they do against what we do. We have a right to express our opinion and we will do that.
Lastly, please understand that most of the people (Including myself) posting messages here are proud indians too. None needs to put up a sticker to prove it. All are hurt at the apathy and insensitivity of the budget proposals. Accepting what has been offered does not mean that we are proud Indians.
RE:RE:WHY WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING?
by Hebbar R on Mar 01, 2007 08:33 AM
Mr. Umashankar Just one more point. I too have faith in India and Indians. But, does our system deserve the same faith?
Another budget has been presented but still no sign of any taxes on agriculture income or measures to widen the tax net and bring the huge number of defaulting businessmen in the tax ambit. The major amount of direct tax in the country is paid by the salaried class. However, their contribution has gone unrecognised year after year. All that is spoken about is farmers, industry and now SMEs. The MSP of various food grains is increased every year to please the farmes lobby but nobody realises that this directly leads to inflationary pressures. People dont say that MSP should not be increased but at the same time what is the logic behind not taxing farming income. It is common knowledge that so many large farmers in agrarian states have astounding earnings but still they are not required to pay any tax (but they can get free power, water, subsidised urea, diesel !!!!). Further, no efforts are made to bring lakhs of businessmen, traders, shopkeepers in the tax net who merrily avoid tax by simply not declaring their incomes. You look around yourself, see the number of luxury cars, the number of rich splurging in multiplexes, the ostentious display of wealth in weddings/ palatial houses but what is the tax paid by them ?? ZERO. Go to any colony in Delhi and get a survey of tax payments done - The result would jolt you out of slumber into hard reality. It is the salaried class which is running this country. But nobody cares because of reasons which are well known but which cannot be put into a public site.......
RE:Budget
by amol patel on Mar 01, 2007 07:15 AM
I fully agree with you. This country is being run with the money paid by the salaried class. Take any provision store guy in your colony, he makes more money than the salaried emplyee in an MNC but still he does not pay any tax. Why? Something must be done to get the more people in the tax net.
Hi everyone, dont just shout at FM in this forum.First learn to do your fundamental duties correctly.Most of you never turn up to cast your votes.But just keep shouting in forums like this.dont look funny on you peoples...
RE:Just pay your TAX
by Saurabh Paranjape on Mar 01, 2007 02:52 AM
yes i agree with u. but at the same time its the duty of the FM to not to turn a blind eye to whats hapening arnd him..
how much tax do our ministers & film stars pay? zero? why tortue the salaried class
RE:RE:RE:Just pay your TAX
by amol patel on Mar 01, 2007 07:17 AM
I agree with Defence but where is, -Education and -infrastructure? Please explain.....
All the politicians are involved in somekind of decent or idecent business or they are industrialists. Communists support working class, then everyone will be good workers and we will not be able to have any job for the citizens (example the state of Kerala) When the economy grows like this and the salary people receive increases like this (the highest % in the world) we need to consider this as our previlage to contribute to the growth of the country by paying additional taxes. But the question lies here, is this money going to be used for the growth of the country or in the pockets of the politicians. The social Security for the tax payers is very important. We need to establish hight standard social security. Integrity and honesty in the govt is important in India. Mr. Lalu ji's budget looks good. Any chance of modernising the coaches in line with the developed countries? We need to improve a lot. One way to increase the Railway profit is to stop improving the roads so that people will use only trains even they have to suffer. We need to improve the infrastructure, especially in Bihar! let India grow and a super power soon!
RE:No Eascape!
by james on Mar 01, 2007 02:03 AM
Salute u FM,
U really gave a very good bugget.please try to put down the raising price on essential commodities.But rest of all is good.really u tried to make india move forward.Basic needs of agriculture and education is satisfied.Its no reason to increase the threshold from 1 lakh.It must have remaind same.Its in countries like denmark tax of 50 percentage is applied on income more than 3500 krones per month and it goes more than 68 percentage.And there is 25 percentage VAT on all comodities .still peoplecan survive.please Indians dont be hunger of money.Make india grow .Let u grow and also let others grow along with u.
RE:RE:No Eascape!
by amol patel on Mar 01, 2007 07:22 AM
But in Denmark everybody is paying, and not only salaried class, right? So there is a big difference. Again after paying 50% tax all basic things medical,education,pansion,insurance would be taken care by the govt, but what do I get after paying 30% tax in India? If I don't book before 45days, I can't even get a reservation of train ticket from Bangalore to Mubai!!! Please explain....
I do understand that the poor is having very difficult time and suffering, working class is bearing the tax burden, Business class and the rich are enjoying the 'wine&dine....
I am sure that poor needs ways and means to grow. No doubt about that.
Look at this message board. How many of you had actually gone through the budget details? How many of you know what it takes to make the budget?
Just because some big head Tom&Dick says that this budget is bad..very bad..You don't have to copy his loud mounth.
Go to the Finance Ministry website and download the budget..read from the first page to the last page. website: www.indiabudget.nic.in
How many of you earning less than 1,50,000 per month? Why are you guys crying foul on taxes? I don't think anyone earning just 1,500 per month is commenting in this message board.
Remember that PC can make only budget...He can't sweat to make all the plans work...Its a collective effort by all in the government and the general public. In India, we vote for a political party, which givew freebees from colout TV, gas,cycles and what not....Next election, expect to get a computer with 8MB broadband....
I do see that many on this message board don't quite seems to understand that we Indians want everything best to be done by the ruling government...but, we don't want to pay the price for it in the form of tax. Without taxing, how can any government provide services in India, where the economy is growing faster if not as predicted 8-9%?
It is easy to blame any government..whether it is UPA or BJP..The government can only do certain initiative for growth, and then the rest must come from all of us.
Look at our collective civic sense...for instance, we all cry about corruption..yet we are the one give bribe to get things done and blame other for encouraging it....
Indians need to grow before India can grow...Work hard, pay taxes and defeat all corrupt politicians.
How many of you enjoy nice 'Khana' and sleep or go to a movie instead of voting on the Election Day?
The one thing that will remain unchanged is Tax and death. Understand and live with this truth. Life will become easier....
RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by wibas wibas on Mar 01, 2007 03:00 AM
Hi UmaShankar SathyaKumar
I am salaried employee and honest tax payer. Whats the benefit I got? Bad roads, no educational oppurtunities because I am OC. Read the website you referred and check how much benefits are provided to "vote bank" people of India. Govt is building roads with my tax, which are filled with potholes and main source of income for greedy contractors. By the way the recent high ways are good but why do I see a toll booth every where collecting money again? Have you ever checked the quality of houses constructed by govt funded welfare programmes? Do you know how many engineers, contractors, bureaucrats, ministers are caught for corruption? FM said school dropouts are increasing, yes thats a matter of concern, but did this govt also check the country's ranking in corruption index and acted on it?
Oh! you said taxes should be paid for development, so why only the salaried employees should pay it? Does FM himself honestly claim that traders, merchants, SMEs, private doctors, industralists are honest tax payers like the salaried employees?
As someone replied you "it is easy to give a lecture".
RE:RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Mar 01, 2007 04:23 AM
As someone replied you "it is easy to give a lecture".
Lecturing?? Lecturing on what??? WHOM??
We Indians can't think ahead and prevent many things. Thats why from Arbas to British came and found that we are rich fools and robbed us. Shame!!! But it's that fact.
Lecturing on what????? We leave an image that we will do whatever had been told to us, kind of professional slaves.
All those people and above requires as you said 'Lecture' - the language they will understand better. If that's what my messages mean then I am more than happy.
If you and we thing that India needs a revolution. DO REVOLUTION.
RE:RE:RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Ganesh R on Mar 01, 2007 05:16 AM
Dear Umashankar, your are absolutely right on why fume. The situation of poor not getting anything, middle class struggling hard & the rich class enjoying is happening in all countries including US & UK. But the only difference is that, when we live what's the quality of life anyone gets. Like in UK, all the people, poor or rich or middle class get a world class medical benefit for what they pay of 8% medical aid. US people, agreed absolutely nothing, no one even knows what govt will do with tax. But atleast the quality of life is much better & there is justice & protection for common man. Needless to say here. But I'm sure things will change. My conclusion is these things are common everywhere, I mean, middle class paying tax for poor & rich people, instead of cribbing, we've 2 choices, either remain in middle class or move into rich class. The choice is ours. Jai Hind Ganesh .R
RE:RE:RE:RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Arun Rawat on Mar 01, 2007 06:36 AM
It's really nice to see so many people want to make India a better place. But why don't they come forward and do something good. Easy to talk about revolution. BUT CAN YOU REALLY CHANGE??? Most of us are from middle class society who earns their bread & butter by working hard. When do we get time for revolution and even if we take some time out, who is going to support the revolutionist and what's the guarantee that the revolution will be for good. In many states of India, many people think that they are doing some kind of revolution, but it%u2019s actually terrorism. We need to accept the fact that there is minimal support for justice, truthfulness, & honesty in Indian mind-set. UNTIL WE CHANGE THIS MIND-SET AND START DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY, NOT THE EASY WAY; NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. Now, is it practically possible to get your work done the right way? DO WE HAVE CLEAR JUDICIAL GUIDELINES AND STRICT IMPLEMENTATION of those and NO DISCRIMINATION on any basis? Will we be protected, if we want to spend our life trying to set things right?
RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Qx on Mar 01, 2007 01:00 AM
My dear Umashankar,
Who does not want to pay tax. every one wants India to grow and progress, but not wasting him money to fill the corrupt peoples pocket. First clean up the system and then plan good things. Just to follow some principles, dont put the working class people to hardship. Already the govt is collecting so much that as of today even the beggars pay tax (indirect) and if you can calculate it could be upto 30-40%.
WAKE UP MAN.
We are not here to criticize things, but wants justice.
RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Rohit on Mar 01, 2007 06:44 AM
"working class is bearing the tax burden, Business class and the rich are enjoying the 'wine&dine.... "
Although I am not fluent in Pidgin English, I think you are trying to say that the Middle Class pays too much in taxes. That's strange, when only 11% of total Govt. Revenue comes from Income Tax.
RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by on Mar 01, 2007 01:23 AM
I think many of the people commenting here have read the budget. Remember that PC can make only budget.... --------------- No He has to make sure that things are implemented too. just making budget is not his job. he is finance minister and he has power and entire minstry with him.
Without taxing, how can any government ....... Where are the basics???? how can you talk about growth without first getting basic needs. Drinking water is a big problem.Just imagine the chain effect it has on the entire country.if you drink unhealthy water you will fall sick, your efficiency will go down, Imagine the loss when you find that over 80% donot get safe water to drink. What about public toilets?? the day you donot see people pissing on the road you can safely say that India has arrived. How can you talk about cars if you donot have proper roads??? -------------------------- Look at our collective civic sense....... If system is clean and if there is a check point at every stage and accountability of the work bribes would be things of past. each and every thing has to be recorded so that there is a fear factor in mind of all the workers. --------------------
How many of you enjoy nice 'Khana' .......
Tax 2%more to the people who donot go to vote. deduct one month's salary of a person who doesnot go to vote. and like wise become strict so that everyone votes.
The one thing that will remain unchanged is .... Tax has to be there but each and every penny has to be used for the development. Go to most of the govt offices and you will know where our tax money is going. When hard earned money which goes as tax is wasted it is a crime. this can be never ending. everybody has to do their bit and yes question the entire system. though difficult one has rto do it.
RE:RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Mar 01, 2007 02:34 AM
Good Suggestion....2% Tax for all those who don't vote...If they don't vote for more than 2 elections, freeze their passport, PAN and drivers licence.
RE:RE:RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Ganesh R on Mar 01, 2007 05:11 AM
Bullshit. I would rather cancel my passport, go else where & settle rather than vote to a "CORRUPT POLITICIAN" & stay here. Why not bring 49O???
RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Dinesh Kumar Sharma on Mar 01, 2007 12:56 AM
Mr. Uma ,
Anyybody can say anything & anybody can lecture on anything , like u r doing. Nobody will think twice to pay correct taxes if tax net is perfect & their tax money is utilized properly , neither of which is happening. That's why Richer are getting more richer & poorer are getting more poorer.So, whom will you blame , individual person or govt. economic policies ? Every bank wants to give loan to salaried , even if they dont need it , but no bank is interested in providing loans to poor farmers & other poors who are in real need of that money for agriculture / small business. No Income tax on Rich Agricultuist , why ?? B'coz almost all political leaders , so called "Kisan Netas " shows their high life style from their agriculture income , while everybody knows from where this money comes ( no doubt ,public money) . That's why even Amitabh bachhan have become farmer , just to save tax on some part of his income. I dont need to explain how public money is wasted & what public infrastucture ( Road , water , transport , electricity etc. ) are they providing to us , an honest tax payers. Thats why it hurts even to pay a single penny as taxes to such corrupt system.
RE:WE WANT EVERYTHING BEST
by Aryaan Rai on Mar 01, 2007 01:10 AM
Friends i think we need to make this gentleman the new FM...Good speech my friend...why don't u go to the root level and do something...We all know
Our main problem is the burgeoning population. Why is there no special budget allotment to control this problem on war footing? All growth will be overwhelmed by this if not attended to in time.
RE:Budget
by Dinesh Sharma on Mar 01, 2007 01:13 AM
Gautam ji , as population cant be controlled by popularistic measures ( only China type policy or good education can work , which these Indian democratic govt. cant do 'coz of Votebank etc ) & govt. dont want to be unpopular , as Indira gandhi done , so in order to hide their in-efficiency , they are not considering population growth as a problem at all , but even saying it as Large pool of Human resource . But as I can understand all problems are due to large population only . From where they will bring food , house transportation 7 other resources for such large no. of people. But........ who cares , only middle class & who is listening to them. Riches hardly cares for anything , except themselves.. So ... is desh ka to Bhagwan hi maalik hai.......
RE:Budget
by wibas wibas on Mar 01, 2007 03:42 AM
No state or central govt in India are thinking about of fundamental reforms in India. Hard truth is that even if such reforms are brought, people will oppose it. If mandatory birth control is brought in, we will definitely see huge protests opposing it. None of us will organize to support that law. Don't you agree?
RE:RE:Budget
by Rohit on Mar 01, 2007 07:13 AM
India's Population is NOT growing very fast. While it was growing > 2% per year for the first 50 years of Freedom, it is now growng 1.4% a year.
http://devdata.worldbank.org/data-query/
For the benefit of Mathematicians among us, the first derivative of population wrt time is > 0, while the second derivative is < 0.
Now look at these Congress.. they are not even leaving beggars, leave alone women, senior citizens. As of today all beggars pay upto 30-40% as tax (indirect). Think of the custom duty, excise duty, sales tax, VAT, TOT, cess, stamp duty, revenue duty, etc.... etc.....
POOR GANDHIJI WHO FOUGHT FOR SUCH A SMALL THING AND NOW WITH DEMOCRACY WE HAVE TO PAY 100 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY TAX ON SALT.
RE:POOR GANDHIJI MAY BE CRYING NOW...
by Gmail Rediffmail on Mar 01, 2007 01:15 AM
the average tax burden on every indian is just 5% of what is in Euope & US.
if you pay 5% then you will only get 5% of facilities.
RE:RE:POOR GANDHIJI MAY BE CRYING NOW...
by Vijay Purbhe on Mar 01, 2007 06:11 AM
Thats ridiculous! Get your facts right before blabbering here. I have been paying taxes in the US for several years and they have been far less than what I used to pay back in India.
salaried class are the major tax payer in the country. a common man deduct his expenditures from the income and then pay tax but a salaried person pays tax on whole of his income. standard deduction has been removed last year. we were hopeful of reintroduction of the same, but all gone in vain. The super flop FM is chidambaram. He must go. All the left parties who are enjoying the pleasure of power, could not do any thing in favour of a commaon tax payer. shame to them.
