The issue is not of poverty...even the poorest Brahmin who works as a clerk finds the money to buy books or subcribe to a library...he reads and learns cos there is a vibrant culture that runs in his veins..a culture that makes him seek knowledge and make a diference to society...and that is cos education runs in the family line...
On the other hand, even the richest SC/ST guys don't have this culture running in their veins..so, they would spend money on garish clothes, makeup, cosmetics and all superficial and utterly dispensable luxuries that don't add an iota of knowledge to make him a better human being...and that is only cos of discrimination by which basic education was denied for centuries...maximum learning happens in school and he never saw the gates of school...
Re: The issue is not of poverty but of culture....
by venkat hs on Mar 31, 2009 03:40 PM
when you are telling a person that he can be assured of seat/job everything without effort...what kind of situation that creates? it is very very defeating.. and harmful to both the parties...the educated is not awarded and the awarded is not educated... it is a lose all option.
Re: The issue is not of poverty but of culture....
by palakadan on Mar 31, 2009 03:54 PM
Dont be in illusion that the poorest Bramin is a clerk. Go to countless villages and see the temple priest ekking out living by poojas in the temple and making a monthly salary of Rs 800 or so given the HR&CE or the local trust. He and his family live by the donotions or coins dropped in the pooja plate. I know some of them live only with one time meal which was offered to the diety. Go to the many places where final rites or made. you will see number of Bramins not having any profession other than living on performing last rites of the dead. Pathetic. Give atleast your sympathy with those. Reservations later.
Re: The issue is not of poverty but of culture....
by venkat hs on Mar 31, 2009 03:38 PM
in which case give all possible help to educate them. it should not be the present case of discrimination...mere propping is not at all the solution you see
Re: Re: The issue is not of poverty but of culture....
by Bhasmasur Rakshas on Mar 31, 2009 03:41 PM
Give all p[ossible help to give them free acess to primary education.....make schooling free for him and then stop the handholding once he finishes school...let him fight his battles alone without any help..if he is competent, he will learn to swim and fight for his bread!!
Re: Re: Re: The issue is not of poverty but of culture....
by venkat hs on Mar 31, 2009 03:49 PM
i go further on that... make education free or less costly for merit students who come out from such schools when they go for futher studies.. as much as they can for their livelihood ... you see a student should not be denied education just because he cannot afford it...by all means encourage merit students...this is serious proposal if somebody is listening.. pl. make every effort to educate them..provide all possible encouragement...but don't discriminate at admission
Re: Re: Re: Re: The issue is not of poverty but of culture....
by Bhasmasur Rakshas on Mar 31, 2009 03:52 PM
Very true...people should get ahead purely on merit once the ill effects of discrimination are cancelled out by access to primary education...
Brahmins do not need reservations. because: 1. Reservation is for those people who can not achieve anything on their own.. Brahmins have brain using which they can achieve their goals. 2. reservations is for those who are more in numbers (Population) so that their Votes can be targetted in elections.. Brahmins are just 4-5% of India's population...Still they are on TOP.. 3. Reservation is for those who can not fight for their rights and are impotent... Brahmins are well literate to fight for justice.. and are Potent.
Re: Re: Brahmins do not need reservation at all.
by Guest on Mar 31, 2009 03:52 PM
Mr. Vikram has send the right points... Please dont ask reservation quota and insult the Brahmins.. In INDIA every brahmin is pround to say that we dont join/get like others in reservation in any college/job we get it through our Merit.. So, for god sake dont include us in that Reservation List.. ....
years by general category people, So I demand 70% reservation for SC/ST/OBC/Peacefull community and 30% reservations for tamil srilankans in tamilnadu.
Re: SC/ST/OBCs of Tamilnadu esspecially muslims are deprived for
by parthasarathy sarathy on Mar 31, 2009 04:02 PM
Pranab,
You must understand that Macaulayan education in India was introduced only in 1829 and so, formal education for the Brahmins and also Government services, was there only for a maximum of 108 years as reservations started in 1937. Get your facts right. As regards vedic education, it was not denied. The rules were so stringent - like getting up at 3.30 am every day, learning slokas and so many other restrictions - that only the Brahmins took to it and the others avoided it. You can have reservation for 50000 years but still, there will not be any upliftment of the really poor. What you want is perpetuation of castes whereas the Brahmins want elimination of castes. What an irony! No, it is not irony but hypocrisy of people like you who exploit the poor among you in the name of reservation and keep them illiterate and poor forever.
Re: SC/ST/OBCs of Tamilnadu esspecially muslims are deprived for
by raman sharma on Mar 31, 2009 03:36 PM
I dont know about 5000 years but just to enlighten you.. last 200 years we (general SC/ST muslims) were ruled by East India company and before that it were Mughals..I dont know how the present generation of SC/ST etc can feel the pain of their forefathers of 500 years ago so much so that they use it to abuse present generation of Brahmins. Well..to me its very simple and clear - political agenda to divide and rule...rest you can continue to hate whoever you like and get rules by jokers
Re: Abandon reservation, reservation can only on the basis of inc
by Pranab M on Mar 31, 2009 03:31 PM
SC/ST/OBCs were not allowed to enter temples for 5000 years.
So reserve all temples in india for SC/ST/OBCs for 5000 years and scrap any other reservations in any form.
Re: Re: Abandon reservation, reservation can only on the basis of
by Vikram on Mar 31, 2009 03:35 PM
SC/ST/OBC should be given reservation in Indian Cricket team, Hockey Team, Army, Navy, Bollywood, Tollywood.... etc.
Re: Re: Abandon reservation, reservation can only on the basis of
by Dushyant Raval on Mar 31, 2009 03:41 PM
Hi Pranab, U can keep all mandir, masjid, church in ur home and do not let any come. But u should know 1 thing if ur educated god is not in these places he is in thoughts of a man and if a common man wants to worship he can worship at his home or on street but with his full heart keeping away all evil things from his mind. thats what i know...
After Independence India split into India & Pakistan.....now states have started splitting????...in the state the communities are splitting....& the politicians are splitting us further....Do we deserve independence????
Re: REMOVE ALL RESERVATION DONT GIVE RESERVATION TO ANYONE
by Sachin Nair on Mar 31, 2009 03:37 PM
I Fully agree with you. I am fed up of all the caste/community/religion based reservations. Reservation and Aid to needy are 2 diff things. I am bored of reservations. When will it end. When will religion talks end? When will fights between States end. When will be there a world in India where we appreciate Merit/Hardwork/Talent. Everybody needs reservation. Where will it end?
Re: REMOVE ALL RESERVATION DONT GIVE RESERVATION TO ANYONE
by venkat hs on Mar 31, 2009 03:34 PM
u have summed it up very well...your words are the most important ones to be listened to today... but foolish as we are we are not recognizing them... it's time to leave all these divisions and get united...for the very survival... in this infighting we are not paying attention to the real problem
Re: REMOVE ALL RESERVATION DONT GIVE RESERVATION TO ANYONE
by Pranab M on Mar 31, 2009 03:31 PM
SC/ST/OBCs were not allowed to enter temples for 5000 years.
So reserve all temples in india for SC/ST/OBCs for 5000 years and scrap any other reservations in any form.
Re: reservations for everyone
by kingfisher on Mar 31, 2009 03:34 PM
percentage of what population ? Hindu Muslim, SC, ST, OBC population? Dumb indian come out of it man. Reservation ONLY ON BASIS of economic status.
u should see the situation that acts itself out during the admissions... students who read day and night and get good rank do not get admission whereas someone with a very high rank just walks in and can select course/college of choice. this is pathetic and depressing. u cannot right the wrong with a blunder... u cannot right the wrong with a blunder... ultimately quality is suffering... by all means provide ALL possible help for a student to study and get a good rank but don't discriminate at the time of admission
Re: this is very depressing, de-motivating and harmful to the cou
by Pranab M on Mar 31, 2009 03:29 PM
SC/ST/OBCs were not allowed to enter temples for 5000 years.
So reserve all temples in india for SC/ST/OBCs for 5000 years and scrap any other reservations in any form.
Re: Re: this is very depressing, de-motivating and harmful to the
by venkat hs on Mar 31, 2009 03:31 PM
i totally agree if such a thing can be done.. the temples of today are the temples of learning...and ultimately which provide you food to survive.. i am talking of basic needs ..i know ppl. in poverty and do not have any reservation...i totally agree to your proposal
Re: Re: Re: this is very depressing, de-motivating and harmful to
by Pranab M on Mar 31, 2009 03:34 PM
temple means where you go to worship not to grab a degree or grab a job .
Re: Re: Re: Re: this is very depressing, de-motivating and harmfu
by venkat hs on Mar 31, 2009 03:55 PM
u mean to say i should teach you what "temples of learning" means? i could understand your point of view ... could you about what i am saying?
Let the brahmins start industries and give jobs for others.Automatically their image will come up. They don't need any reservation. Lot of Brahmins who are in various countries earning well join and invest and start some projects in our country and generate employment.Brahmins can get jobs in such promotions on a priority.Isn't it worthwhile to improve the community instead of asking the politicians to help your community
Re: give jobs
by sameer khan on Mar 31, 2009 03:36 PM
u i diot ....tell me one caste from which people are not rich and not earning money....this reservation business is a poltical issue and nothing to do with social justice. Social justice will be prevailed if reseravion will be based on economic condition regardless the caste ot religion.....be a hindu or muslin or any other religion or cast reservation must be based on economic condition. what happening now is poltics and mooron like u can never understand this.
