i dont knw why ppl fight for reservation. best way to keep all ppls mouth shut is to give reseravtion to all coumminty. we already having reseravtion for sc/st/obc/ ..etc n other ppl r also demanding for reservation... like rajputs,marathas,gujjar,now this brahmin.. etc.. we have 100s of cast in india. best way to give reseravtion to all castes proportion to their population in full population.thats a fair deal.. and llmake everyone happy noone ll do dharna for reservation. so atleast after this we can come out of this reservation lafda .. can concenrate more on other development ,secrutiy and more imporatnt issues for our country.
Re: india will disintegrate due to caste and religion politics
by GN Sri on Mar 31, 2009 03:58 PM
Let ir diosintegrate!! Who cares!! If the so called India do not treat as her son then be hell with it!! If India pushes me out saying my forefathers did injustice, then injustice will visit on India in the present in the form of disntegration.
Gone are the days when top Indian leaders were dreaming of a nation called India which will emerge as a united nation irrespective of religion,cast,creed ,region or colour biased. Simply becasue they did'nt fought any election. The politicians ( NO EXCEPTION )for their lust for power divided the nation on the basis of cast.Kamandal vs Mandal started by V.P.Singh was the begining of a sorry state of affirs. The day is not very far off when the demand for reservation will be mooted and supported by the same politicians on the issue of Air,Railways or Bus (Including private services)seats / tickets, Cricket team,God forbid in Indian Armed Forces ( Already started in Police Force ! ),Cinema halls, Hotel bookings ,schools and colleges ( already partly implemented),vehicle parkings,based on cast and appropriate reservations in these fields.Let us wait and watch,time for all this is not very far off ( Curtsy All Politial Parties)
Re: RESERVATIONS ON CAST BASIS
by Siddique Ansari on Mar 31, 2009 03:53 PM
I buy your idea. Sign on the Vehicle Parking. 27 1/2% space reserved for vehicles of such and such castes, and 22 1/2% space reserved for vehicles of such and such castes. Vehicle parking at reserved space free. WOW.
“Reservation” is a social tool designed to ensure “equality” - equal distribution of power and pelf in the country. It helps where the gap between “haves” and “have-nots” is real big.
Free India inherited the social inequality that prevailed in the sub-continent that was ancient India and the Indian of middle-ages before the coming of the British.
It was the concept of caste system and practice of discrimination and untouchability practiced widely in the sub-continent that empowered a section which called themselves savarnas that employed the varna system of their own creation to suppress a vast majority denying them their basic human rights for centuries.
The so-called savarnas treated a vast majority of people in this land untouchables, denied them rights to education, economic independence and successfully kept them out of power, temples/religion, art, literature, culture, anything and everything to do with decent human living. They have been treated as sub-humans. It’s not any different even today in most parts of this country.
Re: payback time
by Pranab M on Mar 31, 2009 03:52 PM
Do you think someone scroing 90% and not getting a job , will treat " someone scoring 30% and grabbing the job " as human ever ? SC/ST/OBCs were not allowed to enter temples for 5000 years.
So reserve all temples in india for SC/ST/OBCs for 5000 years and scrap any other reservations in any form.
Re: Re: payback time
by barani kumaran on Mar 31, 2009 04:00 PM
why he was scoring 30% if he had been given all the opportunities. go and see the villages..still they are stuggling for their basic rights.
Re: payback time
by Siddique Ansari on Mar 31, 2009 04:01 PM
If I continue to identify myself as a dalit and continue to make assertions to the same effect, then how can I make the people forget that I am not their unequal, but am their equal, at par with them? You cannot carry the burden of history for all times to come. Mughals once ruled this country, but now they have come to terms with the existing situation. Something that could not be done in 60 years, can not be done in another 600 years if the inferiority complex continues.
Re: payback time
by ARUN LELE on Mar 31, 2009 04:03 PM
I appreciate your logic. For the deeds done by the forfatheres 5-6 generations before the current generation , they have to suffer. This will continue till the next 5-6 generations of the present touchables to attain the same level of untouchables 5-6 genarations before. Sufferings have to be compensated by sufferings, eye for eye, hand for hand.What a logic !Taliban Zindabad. Learn from Esop fables. The tiger got a valid reason to eat the calf because the great grand father of the calf had abused the great grand father of the tiger.
Re: Re: payback time
by rougedge on Mar 31, 2009 04:20 PM
What is the logic in ur statements? why will present touchables will become untouchables? And the aim of reservations is not to bring down touchables to untouchables, it is for uplifting the socially backward communities
Re: Re: payback time
by rougedge on Mar 31, 2009 04:15 PM
yes it is hundreds of years ago in all the corners of india. But it still exist in some parts of india where some caste people are not allowed to enter temple or use water of lakes and still maintain untouchability. Govt should recongnise those cases and work on uplifting them
There are many contradictions in his statemen ts. To say the least, he thinks too much of himself. He has b rought unnecessary things to public foolishly. To say the least, he only deserves to be Propaganda Secretary for DMK and he will get a post as soon once as he resigns which he is not resigning because through MLA title only he is boasting of himself. He cannot - for that matter nobody can do any thing for Brahims ion TN. First of all, where is the BRAHMIN in the real seense of the term? Let us all including DMK's MK searech for him!
“Reservation” is a social tool designed to ensure “equality” - equal distribution of power and pelf in the country. It helps where the gap between “haves” and “have-nots” is real big.
Free India inherited the social inequality that prevailed in the sub-continent that was ancient India and the Indian of middle-ages before the coming of the British.
It was the concept of caste system and practice of discrimination and untouchability practiced widely in the sub-continent that empowered a section which called themselves savarnas that employed the varna system of their own creation to suppress a vast majority denying them their basic human rights for centuries.
The so-called savarnas treated a vast majority of people in this land untouchables, denied them rights to education, economic independence and successfully kept them out of power, temples/religion, art, literature, culture, anything and everything to do with decent human living. They have been treated as sub-humans. It’s not any different even today in most parts of this country.
Re: payback time
by Karan Thakur on Mar 31, 2009 03:50 PM
Mr Manavarth
In today's world "Reservation” is a social tool designed to ensure DIVISION in the society for vate bank politics. The era you are talking about got over long time back. Live in present please.
Re: payback time
by Bharatiya on Mar 31, 2009 04:25 PM
Most of what you have written is right.
You say the situation is same as it was before independence - this my friend is not true. You can see Dalits bagging promotions after promotions in their Govt. jobs because of their caste and Sawarna boys manning "Sulabh Shauchalayas".
The caste system has turned upside down in the last 60 years due to discrimination against Sawarnas by the Govt. Sawarna's today find it very hard to get into Govt. service.
The future of Dalits on the other hand is secured for eternity because of reservations.
The struggle for jobs has infact made Sawarna children sharper and smarter - struggle always makes people stronger.
I don't know what perpetual reservations will do to the IQ of Dalits 100 years from now.
Re: payback time
by Pranab M on Mar 31, 2009 03:53 PM
Do you think someone scroing 90% and not getting a job , will treat " someone scoring 30% and grabbing the job " as human ever ? SC/ST/OBCs were not allowed to enter temples for 5000 years.
So reserve all temples in india for SC/ST/OBCs for 5000 years and scrap any other reservations in any form.
If one gets reservation his/her children and subsequent generations should not get it. The purpose of reservation is to uplift people. Why should there be permanent reservation?
If this is implemented I am all for it. Then everything will be merit based in a few decades and that is okay.
Re: Reservation
by rock on on Mar 31, 2009 03:50 PM
Nobody should get reservation, kshatriyas included. Even economically poor should not get reservation. The only thing they should get is financial help, rest should be on merit.
Re: Re: Reservation
by ANAND B on Mar 31, 2009 03:56 PM
I agree with you (given I am a Brahmin!) but my suggestion is least disruptive than closing doors one fine day.
Re: Re: Reservation
by Ritesh on Mar 31, 2009 04:03 PM
I totally agree with 'Rock On'. We dont need anything more than financial help. And any party that dares to bring this in its election manifesto will win with at least 80% majority.
Actually the Reservation system has helped the Bs by denying them the reservation. So unlike the other guys who do not have to sweat and toil, the Bs face an immense challenge and they have to work hard, educate themselves better and finally the the person who has better brains wins. Reservation has induced a laizze fairr attitude to the other castes. Most of them have become dull slobs, having a pot shot at the winners. What an irony.....
We have come through a long way and In today's world of Globalisation we should be giving preference to Merit rather than caste based reservations.
For the needy people who would not be able to afford the cost of education, provide scholarships and fee concessions.
Due to reservations, many unworthy/low calibre students are getting admissions in top institutes and jobs in public sector. Due to illogical and useless reservation system many worthy and talented students are deprived of admissions/public sector jobs.
I dont see any value add to the society because of the reservations.
Eliminate Caste based Reservation System. Wake up politicians.
