I am more backward than you! - this is what reservation will lead us to! This is the problem of today's Indian society. The so called backward class want to remain backward forever and get all the benefits while more are waiting to be called themselves backward! How can the expect respect from the society when they paint themselves such a way? India will be a country full of people who call them backward in another 50 years! Each Indian will fight to claim who is more backward than the other! We'll have senior backward, junior backward, greatest backward etc!
Re: I am more backward than you !
by sridhar srinivasan on Apr 01, 2009 12:09 PM
Sanjay, though I laughed reading your comments it is a pity that what u hv told is true.
I will support to Mr.Sattanathapuram Venkataraman Shekher regarding reservation for Brahmin Community but not only in chennai all over india we have to get the same.
Re: 'Why shouldn't Brahmin community get reservation?'
by Balasubramanian Ramachandran on Apr 01, 2009 11:48 AM
I think it is there in UP under a different name. Someone knowledgable can throw some light on this
Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Why shouldn't Brahmin community get reservatio
by prabhakar timothy on Apr 01, 2009 12:01 PM
There is an alternative person to be contacted is Mr. Karunanidhi, Pls call him.
Re: i am proud of it
by varghese on Apr 01, 2009 11:39 AM
now these bhramins can re write their holy scriptures by banning castism...this will then make the caste claims bogus by all sects in Hindusim and sound the deathknell of reservation..think about this..
Re: Re: i am proud of it
by Balasubramanian Ramachandran on Apr 01, 2009 11:50 AM
Believe me. There is no caste nowadays. If someone is rich and powerful no one dares to talk about his caste. Someone especially the caste leaders keep this alive for their personal gains
Re: Re: i am proud of it
by JGN on Apr 01, 2009 11:44 AM
Yes, they will do that once Vati_can re-write their Book deleting the "birth thru wireless technology" portion.
first of all let the BRAHMINS themselves be unique. when they themselves are not unique with their caste, how can they expect from a politicians, that too with a DRAVIDIAN party. Even this SV Shekhar, what he did when KANCHI MUTT put him behind the bars in the year 2004 by the same leader of Ms Jayalalitha., even she also a brahmin lady. In the democratic country, if a person likes by another, they can do anything and if the same person do not like or favour to them, simplly they thrown and show their vengence only.
Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by Arun Srinivas on Apr 01, 2009 11:39 AM
In the last 60 yrs, we never asked for reservations, nor whined for any. We took it with a pinch of salt and moved ahead. If govt jobs closed doors, pvt jobs opened theirs. Right from our childhood, we are thought the importance of education and strive to be on the top in every field. We hone our skills, sharpen our brains and strive to stay on the top of the food chain. Our loss is playing to our own advantage.
Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by varghese on Apr 01, 2009 11:40 AM
now these bhramins can re write their holy scriptures by banning castism...this will then make the caste claims bogus by all sects in Hindusim and sound the deathknell of reservation..think about this..
Re: Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by JGN on Apr 01, 2009 11:45 AM
Yes, they will do that once Vati_can re-write their Book deleting the "birth thru wireless technology" portion.
Re: Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by Vikram Cavale on Apr 01, 2009 12:04 PM
varghese - a frustrated Dalit Christian..not being allowed to enter their church.. being treated as a thired rate citizen by Pope...and sidelined from mainstream Christian community in India .hahaha
Re: Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by bakbakkarthahoon on Apr 01, 2009 11:44 AM
Allright. We claim we have banned castism. No idea what has holy scriptures to do with it. They are just a piece of archealogical finding.
Coming to reality, tell me how many brahmins in todays world are oppressors of Dalits? In TN, there is no caste war that involves Brahmins. That prooves who wants to keep Dalits stuck to toilet cleaning. Its certainly not brahmins.
Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by shorya on Apr 01, 2009 12:00 PM
Don't you realize that how much shudras had to suffer due to the doings of your race! You always wanted more than you deserved and twisted scriptures to the extent of utter exploitation of lower castes.
Re: Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by Vikram Cavale on Apr 01, 2009 12:08 PM
Shorya...do you know what scriptures mean.. dont talk nonsense..read them and you will understand.. no where it talks of oppressing dalits..Valmiki was himself from the so called other caste..even a Dalit can become a Brahmin by practising a certain way of living ..
Re: Re: Re: Re: why shoult not Brahmin community get reservation
by R Jagannathan on Apr 01, 2009 01:12 PM
You are right Vikram. Even according to Manu Sastram, brahmins only can preach / follow vedas, and not given any other option to do any other professions. Whereas the other sects like, kshatriyas, vaishyas & sudras can do any profession and they were even considered to be brahmins if they practise certain way of living.
#1) I know in TN and outside the tamils (Brahmins and others and many other South Indians) are good friends. They have family get to gethers and their children all play together- be this in Singapore, USA, Pune or Bangalore, etc.
#2) S.Ve. Sheker is not considered to be serious anyway....both by JJ and other TN brahmins.
#3) There are much bigger issues. For example, in Sri Lanka, innocent tamils are getting killed. in India, terrorism has to be nipped in bud. people should unite abd please be good human beings.
I think the reservation culture should be eliminated from this society for the future of this country and the next generation.
If the government wants to help lower caste people it should only take care of their educational expenses but not reserving some seats for them in eductional institutes. They should take care of their educational expenses right from the class I. Any admission, job should be on the basis of merit and skills required for that particular job or educational course.
I dream of this but only God knows when this will be implemented in India. One thing for sure that this will not be implemented in my lifetime.
Re: No need of reservation for any community
by varghese on Apr 01, 2009 11:40 AM
now these bhramins can re write their holy scriptures by banning castism...this will then make the caste claims bogus by all sects in Hindusim and sound the deathknell of reservation..think about this..
Re: Re: No need of reservation for any community
by JGN on Apr 01, 2009 11:45 AM
Yes, they will do that once Vati_can re-write their Book deleting the "birth thru wireless technology" portion.
I am not against Brahmins or Shudras. My contention is that what are the parameters to determine a caste. It is a very genuine question because caste was created on the basis of karma but, not birth. Whatever is going on in the name of castes is a farce in this country. However, if we really should have reservations then it should be based on 'land-holding' at the village level and 'taxation' basis in urban areas. In other words, the calculation should be of how much land is held by the family or how much tax is paid by the family.
Re: How to determine a Brahmin
by sridhar srinivasan on Apr 01, 2009 11:47 AM
Brahmin is not because of one's birth, but by following honesty, truth, etc. Read Bhagavad Gita for this.
Re: How to determine a Brahmin
by Rajesh Joshi on Apr 01, 2009 11:44 AM
MAY I UNDERSTAND,, WHICH TYPE OF 'RESERVATION' YOU ARE CURRENTLY AVAILING FROM THIS GOVERNMENT ???
Re: Re: How to determine a Brahmin
by shorya on Apr 01, 2009 12:04 PM
Everybody knows what is being talked here. But you will never ever accept the truth I have mentioned above. It is in your genes to twist the truth.
If ‘merit’ is diluted by reservations-based-on-caste and you ARE against such dilution, how come you are ready to accept reservations-based-on-economic-status? Do you somehow believe that reservations-based-on-economic-status will ensure that merit is NOT diluted? OR, is that you are ready to make sacrifices as long as it is based on economic status, but NOT when it is based on caste?
Why should one adopt a wrong remedy to solve a well-understood problem? The present situation has arisen not because of discrimination-based-on-economic-status. It has arisen because of discrimination-based-on-caste. Shouldn’t the solution be based on caste lines ONLY?
Re: ...........
by ravi chandran on Apr 08, 2009 01:10 PM
Dear Mr Vishal,
I have read your analysis. Well done. Really very thought provoking eye opener for me. You think wisely and in new different avenue. I would like to be in touch with you. Pls reply to me to shivamravi@gmail.com or sangeethamravi@yahoo.com or tamilbalaravi@rediffmail.com
Re: ...........
by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 11:37 AM
Reservations-based-on-economic-status seems to be more logical and idealistic but it’s like using an ointment to cure cancer. You are healing the wound, but the wound is just a symptom of far deeper problem inside the body. That deeper problem in our case is caste. How can one ignore that discrimination which was carried out for centuries is the root cause, and that this discrimination was based on caste? Any solution one can come up has to be based on caste lines, even if it means furthering the concept of caste. One has to accept some ground realities here- Caste is here to stay, just like religions, just like countries and just like races. Let’s work with what we have instead of trying to ignore and believe that such divides do not exist. May be, over the next few hundred years, when all castes have reached similar status one can actually contemplate removing it through a greater social movement. I would love to be a part of that- but my best guess is that I would be dead by then.
Re: Re: ...........
by VIshal on Apr 01, 2009 11:39 AM
I think the reason for such specious arguments is more fundamental than what has been discussed in the media.
When you propose reservations-based-on-economic-status, every one has a faint hope that they could qualify. Forward castes are not debarred from it, and one could always get admission through other means. Everyone knows how inconclusive our findings are on one’s income. Also, if one were to accept reservations-based-on-caste, it is like accepting that discrimination did happen in this country. It is like accepting that you belong to the caste which oppressed others. Most of the forward castes would like to believe that they never discriminated, not even their forefathers; and if there is an imbalance in caste structure, it’s only got to do with circumstance of division of labor, nothing less, nothing more. They are not ready to accept that certain castes deliberately and forcefully kept some other castes out of education and employment, out of business or from owning property, for centuries.
If ‘merit’ is diluted by reservations-based-on-caste and you ARE against such dilution, how come you are ready to accept reservations-based-on-economic-status? Do you somehow believe that reservations-based-on-economic-status will ensure that merit is NOT diluted? OR, is that you are ready to make sacrifices as long as it is based on economic status, but NOT when it is based on caste?
Why should one adopt a wrong remedy to solve a well-understood problem? The present situation has arisen not because of discrimination-based-on-economic-status. It has arisen because of discrimination-based-on-caste. Shouldn’t the solution be based on caste lines ONLY?
Re: ......
by Ajay Vaidyanath on Apr 01, 2009 11:45 AM
If one guy who gets the advantage of reservation based on his castes, comes up in society and becomes economically strong, then why should his children gat the same advantage he got just because they are from the same caste. He can now send his children to the best schools/colleges etc, they are not from deprived section.
